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Serious Discussion / SOPA
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Date: Fri, Jan 13 2012 03:51:11
SOPA and PIPA are working their way through the US House and Senate right now, and it is extremely controversial. Reddit has committed itself to a temporary blackout in protest, and Wikipedia is considering following suit. Internet giants such as Google and Facebook are also publicly opposed to the bill. On the flip side, the bill is supported by some major interest groups, such as the MPAA and the AFL-CIO. [B]What is SOPA/PIPA?[/B] SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act) and PIPA (Protect IP Act) are bills that primarily aim to protect IP rights, especially since the US's IP laws are out of date and IP theft is rampant on the internet. However, critics believe that the law's vague wording allows the government to shut down entire websites if even one thing on there violates copyright (essentially a violation of the 1st amendment). For example, if one video on Youtube violates copyright, or one picture on Flickr is taken without permission from the Associated Press, the government can shut down the entire website. Now days, the owners have to file a complaint, and the website has a certain amount of time to take that stuff down. Read the Wikipedia article if you want some more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act. [B]How does it affect us?[/B] SOPA mostly affects sites that have user-generated content, such as Youtube, Tumblr, Flickr, Vimeo, Photobucket, and Reddit. Potentially, it could mean that every time we wanted to add music to a collaboration video, we would need the permission of the creator in order to do so; otherwise, we could find ourselves in a lawsuit. Basically, if somebody posts copyrighted material on these forums, we could be shut down. I think that SOPA is too strong, and it needs to be worded better. I'll say more later, since I have homework to do :(.
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Date: Fri, Jan 13 2012 05:36:10
i think its stupid and that everyone should be able to share everything. if you post something on youtube for everyone to see, why cant everyone use it? i also think that if a song is available, we should be able to use it in a collab video or just any video in general.
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Date: Fri, Jan 13 2012 05:53:27
RicLu98 wrote: i think its stupid and that everyone should be able to share everything. if you post something on youtube for everyone to see, why cant everyone use it? i also think that if a song is available, we should be able to use it in a collab video or just any video in general.
So you think that torrenting movies and music is ok? (I'm not saying that I don't torrent.) -
Date: Fri, Jan 13 2012 06:34:54
SOPA WILL be the end of the internet. It WILL. If SOPA is passed, Youtube, Vimeo, Tumblr, Reddit, 4chan and other #chans, Funnyjunk, Imgur, Mediafire, Megaupload, Facebook, DeviantArt, Wikipedia, Anyfuckingthing that has to with music. The only ones who will benefit from this is the big name music producers like Sony and Disney, and Movie production companies. tl;dr, Fuck sopa.
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Date: Fri, Jan 13 2012 09:26:29
SOPA surely won't stick if it is passed. The might of the internet is against it. This could be the first time we see how powerful Google and co really are.
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Date: Sat, Jan 14 2012 04:02:12
hoiboy wrote: So you think that torrenting movies and music is ok? (I'm not saying that I don't torrent.)
well i really dont see anything wrong with it... lol -
Date: Sun, Jan 15 2012 17:44:19
Signed the petition, sent an email. Yeah I'm an activist like that.
RicLu98 wrote: well i really dont see anything wrong with it... lol
Wait you don't see anything wrong with not paying someone for their creative works? -
Date: Sun, Jan 15 2012 18:50:57
2 arguments for Sopa, 14 arguments against.
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Date: Sun, Jan 15 2012 19:22:25
blame kanye west
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Date: Mon, Jan 16 2012 00:29:56
sangara wrote: Wait you don't see anything wrong with not paying someone for their creative works?
Maybe it's just me, but I buy the few really good albums I can listen too without the need to skip tracks or other flaws. To find out which ones are that good, I obviously need something better than youtube. That's why I use torrents. Discovering new music in high quality was never as easy as now. -
Date: Mon, Jan 16 2012 02:10:38
SOPA is the governments way of controlling kids downloading music/movies and watching porn XD
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Date: Mon, Jan 16 2012 03:20:10
DrakeOhMeteor007 wrote: SOPA is the governments way of controlling kids downloading music/movies and watching porn XD
Or the RIAA's answer to save their dying industry, by lobbying laws like this to people with political who don't understand what it would affect. -
Date: Mon, Jan 16 2012 19:28:48
SOPA gone, someone create a PIPA thread.
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Date: Thu, Jan 19 2012 03:30:41
neXus wrote: SOPA gone, someone create a PIPA thread.
PIPA is just as retarded as SOPA -
Date: Thu, Jan 19 2012 05:14:40
Even if SOPA gets passed, it will be taken out pretty quickly.
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Date: Thu, Jan 19 2012 05:39:58
If sopa is passed, then the government can censor pirate sites. what will stop them from censoring stuff that they deem bad for the government? Sounds like banning books> China or Iran > trying to create people that dont know about the bad.
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Date: Thu, Jan 19 2012 05:43:46
china's influence is spreading...
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Date: Thu, Jan 19 2012 07:46:24
i'm glad to see this discussion going on here and that people are pretty much against the censorship which SOPA and PIPA could lead to. It is simply another power grab by the political-industrial complex. Record Industry is not hurting because of illegal downloads, they are making plenty of money, probably highest profits ever because digital music is soooo cheap to produce and distribute, iTunes alone makes soooo much money for the industry. I don't advocate stealing anything, but truth be told, these types of laws essentially will be forcing people to prove their innocence rather than making law enforcement do their job to prove guilt in a crime. The only power we have is our voice, and in America, money is your voice. So Vote with your Dollars and don't support companies who want to disregard the Constitution and the Bill of Rights!
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Date: Thu, Jan 19 2012 23:58:42
sopa will own the internet will close utube, fb, upsb, and all bwahahaha
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Date: Fri, Jan 20 2012 19:41:07
good job internet.
Hi everyone! A big hurrah to you!!!!! We’ve won for now -- SOPA and PIPA were dropped by Congress today -- the votes we’ve been scrambling to mobilize against have been cancelled. The largest online protest in history has fundamentally changed the game. You were heard. On January 18th, 13 million of us took the time to tell Congress to protect free speech rights on the internet. Hundreds of millions, maybe a billion, people all around the world saw what we did on Wednesday. See the amazing numbers here and tell everyone what you did. This was unprecedented. Your activism may have changed the way people fight for the public interest and basic rights forever. The MPAA (the lobby for big movie studios which created these terrible bills) was shocked and seemingly humbled. “‘This was a whole new different game all of a sudden,’ MPAA Chairman and former Senator Chris Dodd told the New York Times. ‘[PIPA and SOPA were] considered by many to be a slam dunk.’” “'This is altogether a new effect,' Mr. Dodd said, comparing the online movement to the Arab Spring. He could not remember seeing 'an effort that was moving with this degree of support change this dramatically' in the last four decades, he added."
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Date: Fri, Jan 20 2012 19:48:18
neXus wrote: good job internet.
Where did you find that? -
Date: Fri, Jan 20 2012 19:55:01
It was emailed to me when I joined http://fightforthefuture.org/ @Supergirl edit: not when I joined but I joined a while ago and I got this email 21 minutes ago
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Date: Fri, Jan 20 2012 20:20:55
love me some sopa.