UPSB v4
General Discussion / Pen Spinning Journal
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Date: Tue, Jun 8 2010 19:06:18
Learned a new trick? Working on a PSing video? Tell everyone here what you've been up to and see what others are doing. Original Thread here.
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Date: Thu, Jun 24 2010 05:49:40
ive been a ps addict this summer. way too much psing XD. i learned a ridiculous amount of new tricks. too many to list...
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Date: Thu, Jun 24 2010 05:52:19
Trying to learn sonic clip but my finger keeps getting in the way D:
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Date: Thu, Jun 24 2010 06:07:22
DeeJayWTF wrote: Trying to learn sonic clip but my finger keeps getting in the way D:
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Date: Thu, Jun 24 2010 10:34:43
gonna learn with my left hand nao... I need eso's tuts P.S. no strikethrough option for text? D: EDIT: practicing, hai tua > palmspin transitions on my right
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Date: Thu, Jun 24 2010 11:44:40
working on palmspin consistency and neobak 12-34 > pinkybakrev ~ swivel
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Date: Thu, Jun 24 2010 21:59:59
need new sources of inspiration, I'm kinda dry at the moment ._.
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Date: Thu, Jun 24 2010 23:24:59
Trying to master bakfall on both hands. And I just lost my RSVP MX^2, so I have to make another one D:
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Date: Thu, Jun 24 2010 23:48:32
Hi! I'm Elfoo from BRPSB and i'm working, with Phdalanora from BRPSB too, in a YouTube Channel for mod reviews!! Check out: http://www.youtube.com/user/MrModReviews We stiil don't have subtitles, but we are working on it! Hope you guys enjoy! Thanks Elfoo
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Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 01:10:45
I need to basically get my linking of tricks better plus master some harder finishers
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Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 01:57:06
i know enough tricks to make nonspammy combos but I don't think when I spin, so I naturally regress to "spammy" minicombos like twisted sonic-TA and neosonic-ta charge rev-palmspin rev. I need to control the pen more effectively and get smoothness up. Thus, I have gave up on all heavy mods (buster cyl, marker fusion) and am spinning a Ballsign and a pencil+2eraser mod.
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Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 03:30:09
I'm currently trying to get my fingers to be more flexible. I'm also working on developing my style and mastering all my secret tricks.....
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Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 03:33:20
I need to work on mastering the Finger Pass. Once I have all the passes MASTERED then hopefully my combos will be a WHOLE lot smoother.
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Date: Sat, Jun 26 2010 09:06:41
added black anyball grips (3 rings) to buster to improve spinning effect and for more control in fingerless tricks smoothening indexaround 13-13 linkages
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Date: Sat, Jun 26 2010 22:44:24
keep training to: do a safer Switch hai tua do more than 4 switch midbacks 1.5 do a switch neobakfall^^ do longer fl. combos with mainhand do more fl. cont tricks with both hands but my problem is NEED NEW LINKINGS!!!
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Date: Sun, Jul 4 2010 04:02:57
I've totally lost all interest in learning new tricks. I guess I've just gotten lazy. I've been doing the SAME combo for as long as I can remember. I really need to hit that "obsession" stage again.
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Date: Tue, Jul 6 2010 13:23:38
miyat;1119]I need to basically get my linking of tricks better plus master some harder finishers[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=CaptainGolfBall wrote: I need to work on mastering the Finger Pass. Once I have all the passes MASTERED then hopefully my combos will be a WHOLE lot smoother.
same T.T and i need to perfect my ext ta first watching a whole lot more vids to get inspiration too and i need to learn my tricks into other slots too so many stuffs to do *sigh* -
Date: Mon, Sep 13 2010 13:33:41
need to work on my secret project. And get a better style. Got better since my last post here.
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Date: Tue, Sep 14 2010 22:45:49
Working on my Bakfall, and trying to get down a consistent palm spin. 1 revolution is the most I've gotten =/
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Date: Sat, Sep 18 2010 11:56:37
trying to regain what i had before, because now I am way worse than I was half year ago. WAY worse =/
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Date: Sat, Sep 18 2010 16:31:51
Gotta get sony vegas so i can edit this canadian collab thing and a tag. Ordered a big pw order for me, darkrose, and Apho. Have to find a new main mod. Start practicing finishers a lot more. Continue to get a style and find/create newer linkages. I'm starting to film a lot more than i used to. I haven't bothered uploading anything though. Oh and I'm gonna start a trading a lot more in a month or so.
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Date: Fri, Oct 15 2010 10:26:18
revive....working on baks atm xD (finally?) from yesterday to today: indexbak 1.5 record from 5 to 10, midbak 1.5 record from 12 to 16, ringbak 1.5 record from 4 to 7, pinkybak 1.5 record from 4 to 5...also did [bak 1.5 x 2 > bak] fall without pinky
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Date: Fri, Oct 15 2010 11:30:12
i predict that i.suk's spinning will resemble penja's style within 4 months (actually, if it does, isuk's powertricks are stronger than penjas so.... +1 superawesomeaussiespinner!)
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Date: Fri, Oct 15 2010 13:04:51
im having a hard time mastering switch spreads.
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Date: Sun, Oct 17 2010 04:36:53
midbak 2.0 x 3...super hard =="
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Date: Sun, Oct 17 2010 17:52:17
Im pretty happy at how much i've progressed so far. only 5 weeks in and I have: TA [normal+rev+fl+fl rev+harmonic+thumbspin(longest:3.0)] Sonic[normal+rev+rise+fall+rise/fall harmonic+demon's+warped+neo] Twisted Sonic[normal+rev+bust(x1 lol)] Charge[12+23+34] Charge Rev[12+23] Fingerpass[normal+rev] Triangle pass Figure 8 Infinity[normal+extended+double+double extended+triple] Shadow[normal+rev] Around[index+middle] Backarond[normal+neo] I'm now currently working on getting my ring finger and middle finger more flexible so I can do tricks like Flush Sonic or Sonic Clip.
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Date: Sun, Oct 17 2010 18:57:49
I need to work on linking tricks better, I went through that v3 tricklist and kept learning tricks (like 70 something) but i need to work on linking them smoother and with lighter mods (usually just a dc pencil)
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Date: Mon, Oct 18 2010 01:30:49
Currently learning bak, and I just posted my video of my progress after 2 months. :D
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Date: Mon, Oct 18 2010 03:02:35
I need to do the finger flexibility exercises regularly now to get crazy flexible fingers!!!
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Date: Mon, Oct 18 2010 05:40:01
[midbak 1.5 > midbak 2.0] x 2 > midbak 1.5 x 2 > midbak 1.0 [midbak 1.5 > midbakriser ~ midbakspin 0.5] x 2 missed midbak 2.0 x 4 == bust record to 144, beat old one by 53...also working on powerpass/around variations.
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Date: Mon, Oct 18 2010 16:41:45
I'm learning ring around to be able to do bakfall( skipping pinky for now, but three fingers will suffice ). maan, this is hard. I can't get my pinky to catch it. Little m*******er ain't going to move. Also polishing passes and all charges and linkages between those, so I can do some nice switching. Way to go, but actually my fingers are getting more flexible. And it's kinda weird for twisted sonic 34-23 to be MUCH harder than its inversion.
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Date: Mon, Oct 18 2010 17:35:47
Trying to learn Twisted Sonic 34-23 I can do it regularly now, but my index finger bends all the way every time I do the pass. Bends everytime it's not involved during a trick. I hate my index >.<
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Date: Fri, Oct 22 2010 03:12:09
On my 6th week now. In the past week, I've learned Bak, Midbak, and can get RingAround 1/4 of the time.
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Date: Fri, Oct 22 2010 05:09:47
i.suk wrote: also working on powerpass/around variations.
What's powerpass? And I'm working on mid bak, index bak was easy. Mid bak isn't... :? -
Date: Fri, Oct 22 2010 09:44:59
@Riley [video=youtube;HxgQSBgUlVo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxgQSBgUlVo[/video] Improved on my editing skills.
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Date: Sun, Oct 24 2010 03:13:14
This week: index bak 100%, mid bak 100% ring bak 0% Pinky bak 25%, hopefully next week i can do bak fall!
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Date: Sun, Oct 24 2010 03:53:23
working on better control of midbak 2.0s and ringbak 1.5s, realised that i can do baks decently with vicgotgame mod got midbak 1.5 x 19...
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Date: Mon, Oct 25 2010 03:30:24
Yesterday I could only do index and mid bak, in one day I got the bak fall!
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Date: Mon, Oct 25 2010 06:30:33
I still can't catch the pen after midbak. -.-
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Date: Mon, Oct 25 2010 06:48:29
I have to stop being lazy and do those finger flexibility exercises everyday diligently. I learnt the TA palm down and thought of some new linkages today
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Date: Tue, Oct 26 2010 23:22:54
6 1/2 weeks into psing now. Finally got down ps-728's combo in Japen 1st (twisted sonic23-12>neobak 12-12>shadow rev 12-34 in the beginning is still kinda scratchy) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik1NDo24mG0 Also learned Ext TA yesterday
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Date: Sat, Oct 30 2010 04:50:45
SUCCESS! I got down Ta to air(I think that's what it's called, I got the name from bonkura's tutorial. I'm still not sure if it's "Ta to air" or "Ta release" yet, though. Anyways, that's not the point of this post :p). I'm so happy right now. After an hour of practicing it, I finally got it down. Sorry for the double post, I'm just really happy right now.
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Date: Sat, Oct 30 2010 04:57:29
I just got TA release too, and can continue spinning after the catch in to 12. :D
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Date: Sat, Oct 30 2010 19:36:14
In the TA release, it's supposed to do 1.0 revolutions in the air, right? Or is it 0.5?
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Date: Sat, Oct 30 2010 21:06:00
@WhatsOfTheUp1 Pari's video shows 1.5 I think, but I do 1. I don't think it matters.
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Date: Sun, Oct 31 2010 00:20:53
I broke my TW bust record. I did a x5
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Date: Wed, Dec 8 2010 06:11:54
Pretty good day in my penspinning for me today. 1 week til 4 months. (might make a 4 month progress video.) Today, I got palm spin -> fl ta x1, learned twisted cobra bite, cobra bite, and got bak -> fingerless ta rev finally! And best for last... tornado x100!!
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Date: Fri, Jan 7 2011 05:24:39
[video=youtube;ZbOQm6Z_r3Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbOQm6Z_r3Y[/video] I made a video showing each of Kam's loop combos (K3LC, K4LC, K7LC) from the wiki. Since no one really requested this, and that I'm just putting this out there to help anyone that may need it, maybe I'd just put this here, and see if it gets any approval from the community as a 'decent' tutorial, or helping video, then I'll open it to the public.
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Date: Fri, Jan 7 2011 07:31:28
I have gotten pretty good with arounds and I'm really happy about it! I might try working on getting more controls with topspins or work on conic tricks. Now I'm mainly focusing on the UPSB tourney.
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Date: Fri, Jan 7 2011 07:38:07
Got midbak 1.5 x10 today, new pr. Right now, I'm in the stage of getting my cont. tricks consistently. Ext ta busts are fine... it's just a matter of getting to high numbers now. My twisted sonic busts and fl ta's are horrible so I need to work on those. Then maybe I can start bd'ing combos again to learn more linkages.
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Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 05:26:15
How long did it take you guys to get the fingerpass normal and rev smoothly? I have a problem with fingerpass 12-23, 34-23 and fingerpass rev 34-23, 12-23. ._.
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Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 09:01:03
learning charge rev' after normal. it is hard
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Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 11:52:29
Desire wrote: How long did it take you guys to get the fingerpass normal and rev smoothly? I have a problem with fingerpass 12-23, 34-23 and fingerpass rev 34-23, 12-23. ._.
do it near the finger tips, focus on smooth instead of fast, 10-15mins/day for each direction, for 3-5 days. -
Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 20:09:06
Currently working on sonic 34-23 and rev sonic 12-23. I want to work up to sonic rise / fall harmonic but the revs are so much harder than their normal counterparts x_x.
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Date: Sat, Jan 8 2011 23:03:04
just trying to get the bakfall smoother and faster
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Date: Sun, Jan 16 2011 19:55:59
[video=youtube;1U3cda10t94]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U3cda10t94[/video] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U3cda10t94
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Date: Sat, Jan 29 2011 15:23:21
I can do all the fundamentals(working on fingerpass rev) and twisted sonic and shadow after 3 months of training....:( im so slow....
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Date: Sun, Apr 10 2011 17:20:59
just learnt the double thumbaround, time to master =D
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Date: Mon, Apr 11 2011 05:17:43
Got more consistent with midbak 1.5 x3, and planned out a combo for a battle. Goody goody, can't wait to film. (I can't believe I'm saying this)
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Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 08:08:36
taught my sister to do thumbaround, she did it twice in a row...ON FIRST TRY...and 1 day later, she did eight consecutively =__=" weird, she's not especially coordinated in 'normal' life activities xD i feel like a really, really, really slow learner -.- training left hand and 1p2h, 2p2h...broke my midbust record today while i had a headache, i'm sure i can do wayyy more than what i recorded though. and recorded thumbaround extended bust x 10 with unmodded rsvp too... also training ring finger independence for 24 inverse sonic stuff
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Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 08:41:13
Working on linkages, Busting and right handed spinning. Learning Shadows on right hand at the moment. Need to prioritise my time on studies :(
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Date: Sat, Apr 23 2011 05:18:43
I've been thinking about venturing into power tricks so I could do some basic FL combos for finishers but the thought about learning them made me a bit nauseated.
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Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 07:23:53
Maybe I should finally start learning new things again... Neobak ~> ringbak feels impossible right now, but whatever. And maybe try to learn pinkybak 1.5
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Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 18:00:51
practising bust x3, and more trying to master the double thumbaround while learning triple or more mastering the palmspin while trying the palmspin>fl ta gave continuous bak a try, i suck at it, so i stopped, will probably carry on later practising bak 1.5, on the verge of mastering it learning the midbak 1.5
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Date: Mon, Apr 25 2011 12:32:20
practicing s777 linkages! XD
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Date: Mon, May 16 2011 08:02:36
palmspin>fl ta spreads pinky and ring bak rev multiple busting (can do 3 atm) fl ta cont
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Date: Mon, May 16 2011 12:56:50
Cracked 2 MX"s, 1 CYL HAND IS ALL SWOLLEN BY MOSQUITO. GG,I QQ.
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Date: Mon, May 16 2011 14:13:27
learning this in combination with a combo. *hurrhurr*
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Date: Tue, May 17 2011 15:51:25
i know enough tricks to make nonspammy combos but I don't think when I spin, so I naturally regress to "spammy" minicombos like twisted sonic-TA and neosonic-ta charge rev-palmspin rev. I need to control the pen more effectively and get smoothness up. Thus, I have gave up on all heavy mods (buster cyl, marker fusion) and am pen spinning a Ballsign and a pencil+2eraser mod.
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Date: Wed, May 18 2011 23:46:13
did my first backaround falls today after 3 days of nonstop trying :D finally, now I gotta get it more consistent
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Date: Thu, May 19 2011 01:19:49
Working on palm spin and training my pinky.
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Date: Thu, May 19 2011 01:21:54
i need to learn links and control
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Date: Sat, May 21 2011 10:48:32
working on controlling my palm spin, and doing some hardcore busting practise =p want to do palmspin>fl ta, but its so hard =/
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Date: Tue, May 24 2011 21:54:29
Learnings links and training pinky
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Date: Wed, Jun 1 2011 07:59:30
I just learnt the TA Rev and now need to do the charge rev... also smoothing up the fingerpass. tno
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Date: Wed, Jun 1 2011 08:40:42
Aright, I'm definitely gonna' learn power tricks after my PSL.
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Date: Fri, Jun 3 2011 22:16:57
working on hai tua, palmspin>fl ta was too hard, moving on now, but gna go bak to it soon
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Date: Sat, Jun 4 2011 03:33:59
Did one Hai tua
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Date: Sun, Jun 5 2011 13:49:18
Learn a simple tricks which I can't spin now like inverse sonic, inverse twisted sonic and improve fundamentals in 34 slot.
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Date: Sun, Jun 5 2011 14:06:33
training left hand (power+smoothness+speed), 2p1h and pun new variations on right hand and 2p2h, fluked new bust record on left 2 days ago Oo" edit: yay bak > midbak 1.5 > midbak 2p2h just then (smoothly) -.-
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Date: Sun, Jun 5 2011 15:20:04
7 bust with vgg mod, new record =D.... working on backfall and palmspin
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Date: Sun, Jun 5 2011 18:50:17
NeoSA practice with an mx, because I'm terribly inconsistent.
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Date: Mon, Jun 6 2011 13:09:18
stress from exams, so i decided to do something mindless - spreads. pinky spread record increased from 160 to 225, most pointless thing ever. (world record is 500, i have no hope of getting there, ever) planned PSL R3 combo, but still likely to change.
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Date: Mon, Jun 6 2011 13:40:53
Just finished making a combo for a battle with @MUSIIX & learned Twisted Sonic Bust.
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Date: Mon, Jun 6 2011 14:05:35
having a break with filming.... until I got a cam..
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Date: Tue, Jun 7 2011 00:23:08
Currently learning Pinky Spread. I usually just do it by accident though...:(
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Date: Tue, Jun 7 2011 00:46:17
New palmspin record. 19 :D
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Date: Tue, Jun 7 2011 01:18:32
Wait, you could do that many palmspins and not a twisted sonic bust?!?!? Making finisher of combo for Vs. Funnky
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Date: Tue, Jun 7 2011 01:23:19
Multibust practice.
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Date: Tue, Jun 7 2011 01:51:38
working on new combo for tournament. Working on spiderspin > pinky swivel
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Date: Tue, Jun 7 2011 07:03:30
used about 1/2 an hour practicing 2p1h, 2p2h and experimenting today, it's really really interesting (much more interesting than 1p1h imo) pinky spread record increased from 225 to 344 in one shot (didn't get any between those 2 numbers, yet xD)...hmm...so pointless -.- i don't even know why i'm doing this
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Date: Tue, Jun 7 2011 13:23:48
got 30 bust from 25 with hoyeesuan's SOAR mod
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Date: Sat, Jun 11 2011 08:54:31
i can do like 20+ spreads now!! yay
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Date: Sat, Jun 11 2011 10:55:33
Working on new combo. Hopefully I can add in some spreads ;)
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Date: Mon, Jun 13 2011 11:39:44
pun new variations training (showing some improvement, it seems xD), and did ringbak 1.5 x8 yesterday. hmmmmmm baks Oo"
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Date: Mon, Jun 13 2011 12:03:38
quit on making an LH mod for now... evil core -_-
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Date: Mon, Jun 13 2011 13:02:20
Battling @Ian!!!
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Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 13:30:01
[fl ta ~ palmspin] intensive practice sessions started a few days ago, skill seems to be improving xD will also do with index pun new etc later
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Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 14:43:06
Stealing linkages and changing a bit of here and there, and trying to FS. And working on getting fl TAs consistant enough to use them as finishers often.
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Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 21:07:03
I've been spinning a lighter mod with a very similar weight distribution as my main mod every time I'm not recording. I only use my main mod for when I'm recording combos and this method really seems to help.
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Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 21:59:13
Still sucking, trying to learn a few Vic linkages, and begging people for linkages. But overall, still sucking.
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Date: Fri, Jul 1 2011 23:06:36
oo. oo. oo. oo. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. TRIPLE BUST. AND ANOTHER! That's right. Still practicing multi bust.
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Date: Sat, Jul 2 2011 01:02:45
did some haituas, hai tua releases and punkans and fl ta to palmspin and fl ta rev x2 to rev palm spin x2
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Date: Sat, Jul 2 2011 04:49:54
practising ta>palmspin cont.! keeps me busy ~_~
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Date: Sat, Jul 2 2011 05:44:38
Getting a hang of my new Joey DC.
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Date: Sun, Jul 3 2011 10:40:04
having done intensive palmspin ~ fl ta cont training for 4 days now, consistency and personal record have improved significantly
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Date: Sat, Jul 9 2011 16:31:50
improved busts consistency, learning ta>power pass, flush sonic, trying to get a consistant linkage: palmspin>swivel>multiple busts trying to get a combo >.< gave up on backfall =.=lll
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Date: Wed, Jul 13 2011 02:20:35
got 9 busts :) trying to wrok on links, and im out of ideas
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Date: Wed, Jul 13 2011 06:55:56
Working on my smoothness and creativity. :D
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Date: Wed, Jul 13 2011 07:26:06
oncam fl ta ~ palmspin record improved by 6, bored...working on pun new variations, powerpass reverse and others
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Date: Wed, Jul 13 2011 07:36:31
Practicing midbak 1.5 for this whole week, I hope to have x20. (yes, I have big dreams) I'll try to get it on cam. (f I'm able)
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Date: Wed, Jul 13 2011 07:43:54
Started releasing my Hipproductions stuff already. I'm hoping I can do one every month.
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Date: Wed, Jul 13 2011 07:58:34
also training fl arounds (palm side), index record from x7 --> x10, middle from x4 --> x7, ring x8, having trouble with pinky though, they keep turning into spreads... and copying linkages from WT11 combos+variations edit: fl ia x15 D: :o :) :D ^^ mind blown...massive fluke lol. x13 later too
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Date: Wed, Jul 13 2011 12:52:57
going back to basics, trying to get a nice sonic fall, getting shadow in linkages, trying to get my ring around and master my mid and index around, going back to try backfall... trying to get a consistant twisted cobra bite and swivel to bust, trying to get consistant 2.0 palmspin to swivel, tying to get a consistant ta reverse =.= trying to get a nice sonic flush :D .......so long o.o...
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Date: Mon, Jun 17 2013 16:21:28
would you guys like it if i did ps'ing vlogs? its like a normal vlog with my everyday life but with spinning in it. whats your opinion and if so what do you guys want to see? thanks ^^.
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Date: Mon, Jun 17 2013 16:29:23
i laik it
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Date: Mon, Jun 17 2013 16:44:29
that seems rlly cool. you should do it :D
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Date: Mon, Jun 17 2013 16:53:28
Cool idea. I believe there's already a thread with a similar topic. forum.upsb.info/showthread.php?t=47 /merged
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Date: Mon, Jun 17 2013 17:02:47
Zkhan wrote: Cool idea. I believe there's already a thread with a similar topic. forum.upsb.info/showthread.php?t=47 /merged
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Date: Thu, Nov 7 2013 05:16:24
Iv only bean spinning for a little while about 2-3 weeks now and i just wondering how im doing.Iv had a read of the Fundamentals FAQ. What iv got so far: I have a charge down pretty well between all my fingers 90% of the time its looks and feels pretty good. Iv got a normal sonic down pretty smooth as well between fingers 1 and 2 and 2 and 3 like an 80% success rate. Iv been doing it between 3 and 4 too not that great kinda like 40% success with that. With a finger pass i learnt that ages ago when i was a little fella before i knew what it was so that wasn't too hard to pick up again just a bit clunky right now. As for thumbarounds it done it successfully about 2-3 times. Right now im just trying to get my normal sonics down and nice and fluent looking and trying to put them together.i wouldn't mind a few tips on thumbarounds i don't have a hitchhikers and i here thats a bit harder. also the pen im using is just a artline 200 felt tip with a cap on either end and the clips removed. Wouldn't mind knowing how long it took you all to master the fundamentals. Be as brutal as you like i dont mind.
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Date: Fri, Nov 8 2013 02:05:54
Mr.Chemical wrote: Iv only bean spinning for a little while about 2-3 weeks now and i just wondering how im doing.Iv had a read of the Fundamentals FAQ. What iv got so far: I have a charge down pretty well between all my fingers 90% of the time its looks and feels pretty good. Iv got a normal sonic down pretty smooth as well between fingers 1 and 2 and 2 and 3 like an 80% success rate. Iv been doing it between 3 and 4 too not that great kinda like 40% success with that. With a finger pass i learnt that ages ago when i was a little fella before i knew what it was so that wasn't too hard to pick up again just a bit clunky right now. As for thumbarounds it done it successfully about 2-3 times. Right now im just trying to get my normal sonics down and nice and fluent looking and trying to put them together.i wouldn't mind a few tips on thumbarounds i don't have a hitchhikers and i here thats a bit harder. also the pen im using is just a artline 200 felt tip with a cap on either end and the clips removed. Wouldn't mind knowing how long it took you all to master the fundamentals. Be as brutal as you like i dont mind.
the standard sonic is notated 23-12 (starts between middle and ring goes to between index and middle) All tricks are notated like that, trick name (where it starts)-(where it ends). Use T to indicate thumb. sonic 34-23 is kinda hyard so its good you are getting it down. thumb around is important cuz its an intro to around based tricks which are a big part of spinning. you always gotta make sure the center of mass isn't flying away from your thumb. you have to start with the center on the palm side of your hand, that will help if the problem is the pen flies away from you. If its the catch thats the problem then you just gotta practice more. After that you can start doing stuff like sonic 34-23 > sonic 23-12 > TA (thumbaround) 12-12 > fingerpass every time you learn a new trick try to add it into some kinda sequence like that and you'll feel like a real spinner soon :) PS: interesting name, I study chemistry myself :P