UPSB v4
Battlezone / Ricercar vs Jan
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 02:55:03
Lets do this @Jan
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 03:03:49
Jans going to get destroyed.......
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 03:15:41
AoD1 wrote: Jans going to get destroyed.......
Really? even with his power tricks? well, Good luck Ricercar and Jan. This is not resolving anything, it is just Ricercar's rage of Jan's annoying and not helpful comments in other threads ;), which I agree sometimes :facepalm: -
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 03:20:51
noob, GoML. get your cyberspace hormones straight. W/e gl.
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 04:00:23
I have a feeling that this is gonna be a really good battle, considering the fact that Ricercar is pumped up
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 04:00:40
Escorpio123 wrote: Really? even with his power tricks? well, Good luck Ricercar and Jan. This is not resolving anything, it is just Ricercar's rage of Jan's annoying and not helpful comments in other threads ;), which I agree sometimes :facepalm:
power trickes are fucking stupid -
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 04:05:52
i can tell this is gonna be good :D
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 04:07:10
AoD1 wrote: power trickes are fucking stupid
not for finishers ;). -
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 04:12:20
they're Garbo
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 05:06:08
ultimate showdown
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 05:37:25
Power tricks are only good for the last 5ish seconds of a combo. If Ricercar has linkages and all Jan has is power tricks, I'd vote Ricercar.
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 05:54:55
Yeah, of course, I would vote for Ricercar if that happens, but I don't think Jan will come up with all power tricks neither ;).
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 12:04:20
Dude, whatever. I will accept but I don't understand how me beating you in a Pen Spinning battle will resolve anything... =.= @Ricercar Due Date: April 1st Theme: None Video Length: <30
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 15:56:42
I wanna see this :o
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 20:56:23
AoD1 wrote: power trickes are fucking stupid
i thought you liked vics spinning -
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 21:03:44
Jan wrote: Dude, whatever. I will accept but I don't understand how me beating you in a Pen Spinning battle will resolve anything... =.=
LOL@ Assuming you're going to win. -
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 21:03:47
Kirby wrote: i thought you liked vics spinning
vic doesnt focus on power tricks he focuses on linkages...just because he can do power tricks doesnt me he throws them in every single combo bro -
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 21:27:39
This is going to be Epic.
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 21:37:44
if jan has a better combo +1 jan
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 23:46:48
Omg, Good luck to RIcercar, Jan is going for it and he is confident because he has some linkages too :(. -___-.
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Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 01:10:32
AoD1 wrote: vic doesnt focus on power tricks he focuses on linkages...just because he can do power tricks doesnt me he throws them in every single combo bro
Yah I guess, he used to powertrick a lot more. And yah he does have pretty cool linkages, but he still uses powertricks a lot more than the average spinner. So if you hate powertricks, I would think you would hate vics style but idk. I love vic and his powertricks XD EDIT @Stare : even if jan has a better combo, +1ricercar. -
Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 02:42:55
Stare, don't be a stupid fanboy, I'm considering finding judges if i can, public vote blows
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Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 03:04:50
Lol, jan loses.
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Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 04:41:25
Ricercar wrote: Stare, don't be a stupid fanboy, I'm considering finding judges if i can, public vote blows
im sure ull pick kirby and ur other friends so that u win -
Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 04:42:02
Go baby, :D I mean Go ricercar :facepalm:
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Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 04:58:29
Ricercar wrote: Stare, don't be a stupid fanboy, I'm considering finding judges if i can, public vote blows
yea get judges honestly. It wouldn't be fair at all to have public vote. If you do have public vote, people like me are going to vote, who are obviously not qualified enough to judge this battle. -
Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 05:01:23
Gooooo Ricer! Dream bud
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Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 05:06:02
im kinda rooting for Jan on this one... like, i know everyone hates him for trolling so much, but from what i've seen of him, he's a really good spinner.
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Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 05:20:49
browndog12 wrote: im kinda rooting for Jan on this one... like, i know everyone hates him for trolling so much, but from what i've seen of him, [B]he's a really good spinner.[/B]
That's what I said in my 1st post, He does some linkages and power tricks, that's why I am wishing luck to Ricercar because Jan is good :rolleyes:, so PS and Behavior has nothing to do with this ;). -
Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 05:26:46
browndog12 wrote: im kinda rooting for Jan on this one... like, i know everyone hates him for trolling so much, but from what i've seen of him, he's a really good spinner.
if you love spread spam and Jan's trollin is gettin annoyin -
Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 07:55:54
jan cant troll, hes just annoying as fuck.
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Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 20:39:07
Rice Car: You should want public vote, it would be an auto win :p @Stare : You hate me now? lolol I was just saying I hate Jan, no reason to get bitchy.
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Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 20:41:25
Stare wrote: im sure ull pick kirby and ur other friends so that u win
Why would I do that? I don't want to cheat, I want to crush him fair and square. Also, since when is Kirby my friend? I hardly know the guy ._. -
Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 21:25:08
AoD1 wrote: jan cant troll, hes just annoying as fuck.
what do you think about yourself? O.o -
Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 21:53:12
TheAafg wrote: what do you think about yourself? O.o
i dont troll.... -
Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 22:15:00
AoD1 wrote: i dont troll....
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Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 23:05:51
Kirby wrote: Rice Car: You should want public vote, it would be an auto win :p @Stare : You hate me now? lolol I was just saying I hate Jan, no reason to get bitchy.
i dont hate anyone! everyones flesh is equally nutritious. i just think this thread is so funny -
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 01:52:33
Stare wrote: if jan has a better combo +1 jan
no duh lol -
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 02:22:27
Okay Jan, one of the judges is requesting the following:
i'd like both of you to point out what you feel is the highlight of your combo, and provide a breakdown for that section
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 04:04:31
Who are the judges? And good luck to both of you
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 08:00:35
everyone shut the fuck up, Ricer + Jan send in your videos -.-
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Date: Thu, Mar 10 2011 23:31:24
Krispy Kreme wrote: everyone shut the fuck up, Ricer + Jan send in your videos -.-
sent :trollface: -
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 00:22:06
Stare, you are a moron. @Jan, i've decided to to public vote, on account of not being able to find judges.
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Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 00:24:52
@Ricercar I can be a judge if you want?
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Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 00:25:26
that would still only make 2
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Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 09:42:31
il judge?
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Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 09:56:23
I can judge.
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Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 10:37:51
i can judge...
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Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 10:43:30
Okay, then we have our judges.
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Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 12:40:01
aod is biased
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Date: Sat, Mar 12 2011 14:13:44
No way. @Krispy Kreme, no need to rush we have until april 1st...
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Date: Sat, Mar 12 2011 14:35:01
blahblahting
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Date: Sat, Mar 12 2011 15:10:32
when are the videos due? april 1st?
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Date: Sat, Mar 12 2011 16:27:56
[QUOTE=Jan;71720]Dude, whatever. I will accept but I don't understand how me beating you in a Pen Spinning battle will resolve anything... =.= @blahblahting im fine with him being a judge
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Date: Sat, Mar 12 2011 19:53:01
@Ricercar: For both of you, when you submit your combos, tell me what you feel the highlight of your combo is (ex. "I really like 0:06-0:09) and provide a breakdown for that section. Thanks :]
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Date: Sat, Mar 12 2011 19:58:08
blahblahting wrote: @Ricercar: For both of you, when you submit your combos, tell me what you feel the highlight of your combo is (ex. "I really like 0:06-0:09) and provide a breakdown for that section. Thanks :]
No problem =D If we like our whole combo, should we send a breakdown of the whole thing? -
Date: Sun, Mar 13 2011 02:59:10
Jan wrote: No way. @Krispy Kreme, no need to rush we have until april 1st...
your a little bitch..... your not me so you dont know if i would have voted for ricercar. your majorly assuming that i would vote for ricer. that makes you an ass i would have voted for the best video you dumb ass just saying. -
Date: Sun, Mar 13 2011 03:27:51
AoD1 wrote: your a little bitch..... your not me so you dont know if i would have voted for ricercar. your majorly assuming that i would vote for ricer. that makes you an ass i would have voted for the best video you dumb ass just saying.
http://forum.upsb.info/showthread.php?t=4338 i see nothing similiar posted by you about ricercar personally im not biased, i'd like to see jan win simply because i think ricercars aggression is unwarranted but i dont like anyone more. the better spinner should win. -
Date: Sun, Mar 13 2011 03:37:25
Hm...very interesting battle. I've seen Ricer's and Jan's spinning, and I'd have to say...Ricercar. Jan repeats power tricks, and Ricer is more creative. @Jan Please don't spam spreads or power tricks, they're a good finisher, but don't spam them. I'm not trolling, it's advice. =)
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Date: Sun, Mar 13 2011 03:43:17
@Jan: if you're thinking of using middle spreads/aerial middle spreads a lot, i'll let you know in advance i won't be impressed much :P good luck both spinners
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Date: Sun, Mar 13 2011 03:46:21
I hope Jan wins. :trollface:
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Date: Sun, Mar 13 2011 03:47:24
Too much Aggression here :facepalm:
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Date: Sun, Mar 13 2011 04:03:44
too much? its barely getting started :) GO RICER!
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Date: Sun, Mar 13 2011 04:23:58
i.suk wrote: @Jan: if you're thinking of using middle spreads/aerial middle spreads a lot, i'll let you know in advance i won't be impressed much :P good luck both spinners
so its fair to say you favor one spinners style over the other -
Date: Sun, Mar 13 2011 06:13:57
Stare wrote: so its fair to say you favor one spinners style over the other
Lol dude? Isuk uses power also. -
Date: Tue, Mar 29 2011 01:56:05
not much longer now! :woop:
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Date: Fri, Apr 1 2011 02:52:46
@Jan, i need to extend the deadline like, 2 more days; I've been really busy so I couldn't film, and I can't film this friday or saturday. So, April 3rd?
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Date: Fri, Apr 1 2011 10:53:17
@Ricercar, I was also very tight on time and had barely any time to plan/film my combo and still managed... Anyway, fine then, the new deadline is now [B]April 3rd.[/B]
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Date: Sat, Apr 2 2011 05:27:08
Jan wrote: I was also very tight on time and had barely any time to plan/film my combo and still managed...
Shots fired. i love grudge matches :woop: its like Urijah Faber vs. Dominick Cruz -
Date: Sat, Apr 2 2011 12:16:29
Jan wrote: [MENTION=40, I was also very tight on time and had barely any time to plan/film my combo and still managed...
Except, I wasn't HOME for most of this time, and when I was, I was busy doing more important stuff. -
Date: Sat, Apr 2 2011 15:55:27
@blahblahting I think my favourite part was the opening sequence; Inverse Sonic 23 12 ~ Pass 13 34 > Pass 23 > Twisted Cobra Bite 23 p > Fl Ta Rev. It just felt so stylish and fun to me, and it looks so much more complex than it actually is. My second favourite was the Inverse Sonic 23 12 Palm Down ~ Wiper Rev? 13 > Reverse Twisted Sonic 13 34. Thanks for judging!
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Date: Sat, Apr 2 2011 16:55:27
@Ricercar =D
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Date: Sat, Apr 2 2011 17:48:47
my unbiased opinion as a spinner...
ricercar had good linkages, difficulty, and variety but some parts looked out of place 0:09 ugly 13 wiper/charge/clip whatever that was, the links were better than jans but real combo highlights were few and far inbetween, however a good opener made up for a lackluster finisher. Solid combo, not much else to say.
jan could have had more difficulty, it seemed a bit spammy at times, but the power tricks make up for it, the finisher was way better than ricercars but the opening few seconds didn't seem to stand out at all. Not to mention the combo was just a tad too long for my taste. however, i do think jan did comparatively better with his linkages than ricercar did with power-tricks [all i saw was a bust], which should count for something.
all in all it looks like it's going to be a classic linkages vs power tricks battle -
Date: Sat, Apr 2 2011 18:47:18
interesting view stare. I don't use any power tricks though. None. I strongly prefer crazy weird and difficult linkages. Also, the whole wiper thing was a bad grip on the pen, I nearly dropped it and didn't get any circular energy on it.
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 03:06:24
I am going to be using this judging rubric, taken from the WT. If other judges want to use this, then go ahead. Execution: 5 pts Difficulty: 5 pts Creativity: 5 pts Presentation: 5 pts Total:
520 pts EDIT: the total is not 5 points LMAO :rofl: -
Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 03:17:34
Aw no public poll? Lol well all the same I'm keen to see what blahblahting has to say
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 03:34:45
@Jan [SIZE="5"][B]Jan[/B][/SIZE] [B][SIZE="3"]Execution: 4/5.[/SIZE][/B] Your execution is fair. I'd say that your combo looks somewhat chaotic and rushed up to 0:09, though the rest of your combo looks solidly under control. Suggestions--work on that control, and try to keep your fingers straighter throughout your combo (esp. during TF Charge revs); I find that it can add a lot of appeal to your combo. [B][SIZE="3"]Difficulty: 2.5/5.[/SIZE][/B] Like I say in my blurb about creativity, the combo is almost entirely structured around charge/pass/sonic linkages. I see that you tried to change things up at 0:18 with the middle finger thing and the flush sonic from 34, but more difficult, intricate linkages could definitely be used i your spinning. Your power tricks are done very well, but the majority of your combo lacks. Suggestions--more variety; arounds, spins, and baks would definitely strengthen your spinning. [B][SIZE="3"]Creativity: 1.5/5.[/SIZE][/B] This combo is almost entirely structured around charge/pass/sonic hybrids and linkages. There was almost no utilization of other trick families (spins, arounds, stalls, etc...) other than the finisher and a pinkyaround at 0:05. Suggestions--try to bring more variety into the meat of your combo; do not try to just pull everything together in a strong finisher. [B][SIZE="3"]Presentation: 2/5.[/SIZE][/B] Overall, your setup is very nice (though I think a slightly more vertical camera angle would be good). Some of your finger positions looked extremely awkward, and many of your direction changes appeared very unnatural (the number of direction changes looks very forced, and many of them just seem forced). The thing that really killed this combo for me was the Palmspin Riser > TF Charge Rev > FL TA Rev. It simply does not flow, especially since the direction change involves a stop in spinning altogether, followed by a slow acceleration in the other direction. You do have a certain confidence in your spinning though, which is very good. Suggestions--try to improve the flow of your combo. shortening your combo would not hurt, either. [B][SIZE="4"]Total: 10/20[/SIZE][/B] --------------------------------- Yes, I am a tough judge in my scoring, but I will grade Ricercar harshly as well when I get the time :]
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 04:30:20
[B][SIZE="5"]Ricercar[/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE="3"]Execution: 3/5[/SIZE][/B] Great smoothness on the twisted cobra bite. The twisted sonic reverse 13-34 at 0:08 could have more of a circular motion. There is a weird acceleration between 0:08-0:10, after that twisted sonic reverse. Otherwise, your combo seems very solidly under control, though you could have more power in your spinning. As I recommended for Jan, it would help the appeal of your spinning to straighten your fingers more. Overall though, I feel that Jan's combo has more confidence and that it is more rehearsed, which are both factors that seem to be lacking in your combo. Suggestions--be confident and assertive in your spinning! [B][SIZE="3"]Difficulty: 3/5[/SIZE][/B] It is tough to execute a twisted cobra bite that smoothly; I congratulate you for doing that well. Also, good job at 0:09-0:12, which to me, is the technical highlight of your combo. While, like Jan, you could ramp up the difficulty and complexity of your linkages, you are on a better track in terms of the meat of your combo, as you do have a bak, neobak, and ringaround. You demonstrated more ability overall, though Jan demonstrated more ability in power tricking. Suggestions--more complex linkages, less "filler" [B][SIZE="3"]Creativity: 2/5[/SIZE][/B] Your combo seems a bit repetitive. 0:06 seems very similiar to (if not the same as) 0:09, and you seem to do the same thing at 0:12 and 0:14 where you lift your hand up. However, I really liked the incorporation of the Neobak TF-23 at 0:13. As with Jan, you could benefit from more variety. More spins, baks, neobaks, arounds, shadows, etc would do you good, though at least you have a start on this. My reason for giving you this rather low score is because there is so much room for growth in pen spinning, along with the fact that a considerable portion of your combo appears to be filler. Suggestions--try to have more variety in your combos, and explore more intricate links. [B][SIZE="3"]Presentation: 2.5/5[/SIZE][/B] Kinda dark, but no point deduction there because I like to do that myself sometimes. Your webcam appears to make your spinning jump between frames, and though I know it isn't the easiest thing to go out and buy a webcam just for PS, it definitely makes your video less enjoyable. I personally dislike how it looks when you raise your hand a little at 0:12 and then once again at 0:15, partly because it is repetitive, but more because it is awkward, seeing the majority of the combo is done with your hand kept quite still. Straighter fingers would be nice, especially at 0:04-0:06, and a few similar spots in your combo. Your finisher seemed really abrupt, and there was no buildup into it. Suggestions--Straighten fingers, get a webcam that makes your spinning appear smoother if possible, stronger finisher. [B][SIZE="4"]Total: 10.5/20[/SIZE][/B] ----------------------- Notes regarding the two spinners: -In execution, Jan scored better primarily due to more confidence. -Difficulty and creativity went to Ricercar because Ricer was stronger technically. -I thought presentation was pretty equal. I felt both spinners could make their fingers look better. Other than that, Jan suffered because of combo structure, Ricercar's suffered because of camera. -I felt my judging was equal for both spinners. -I think it is worth noting that the 0.5 point difference occurs in creativity. Summing up the scores from the other criteria ties both spinners at 8.5. -Honestly, I felt very bad for having to judge this; I knew it would be close. To sum it all up, I felt that Jan had more confidence, but generally lacked in difficulty. Ricercar lacked confidence, but had a technically stronger combo.
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 04:35:35
Gratz Ricer. gg Jan
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 04:44:27
@Ricercar holy shit dude o.o you were awesome.
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 05:23:40
Nachoaddict wrote: Gratz Ricer. gg Jan
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 05:37:23
i also used WT11 recommended judging criteria/guidelines, albeit nowhere near as tightly as original version. both of you would benefit from getting higher frame rate cameras, although you probably already know this -.- [B]Jan[/B]: Execution: speed of pen was pretty consistent throughout combo, except for the palmspin ~ fl ta > TF charge rev, which broke the flow a bit. control good, no major mistakes or loss of control/pen gets stuck etc --> [B]4/5[/B] Difficulty: the mini combo around the flush sonic and ending are of considerable difficulty, but rest of combo's difficulty pales in comparison, as it is mostly charge-pass hybrids. --> [B]3/5 [/B] Creativity: flush sonic mini combo thing adds to creativity, as it is not that commonly used. rest of combo, however, doesn't demonstrate much unusual/new material. --> [B]2/5[/B] Presentation: spinning area was well lit, angle is ok (maybe put camera a bit higher up, with a more looking-down angle than this one). variety was lacking somewhat, try to use more baks/arounds/shadows; and use of palmspin ~ fl ta with subsequent direction change is not good combo structure. pen shows up well on background used, table is clean --> [B]2.5/5[/B] --> TOTAL: [B]11.5/20[/B] ---- [B]Ricercar[/B]: Execution: control and smoothness of combo was nice in general, direction changes well executed. main area of concern is loss of control during twisted cobra bite (offcam but smoothly done). one 'mistake' --> [B]3/5[/B] Difficulty: going from 23 slot straight to twisted cobra bite is a bit harder than from the usual neobak or 34 slot, adds to difficulty. more variety in 'hard' tricks than jan (use of neobak, bak and ringaround vs jan's flush sonic and spreads), but tricks not as hard as jan's. --> [B]2.5/5[/B] Creativity: starting sequence was nice (twisted cobra bite from 23), decent linkages used throughout combo (compared to jan, who had 2 good links separated by a lot of filler) --> [B]2/5[/B] Presentation: nice angle, maybe zoom out a bit so twisted cobra bite is in frame. try to incorporate more highlights in the combo, as starter 'overshadows' epicness of rest of combo, and maybe make finisher a bit longer (i think twisted sonic bust x 3 would've been perfect for this combo instead of x2). variety superior to jan's, but could do with use of more arounds, shadows. spinning showed up fine over background. --> [B]3.5/5[/B] --> TOTAL: [B]11/20[/B] General comments: Very close match, but Jan wins by 0.5/20. Both spinners could do with working on baks, arounds and shadows in addition to their current tricks/links, and get better fps cameras. Combo structure can be improved (less filler and more highlights, placement of highlights throughout combo).
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 05:40:44
Tie. :ninja: (it's sad that im more interested in this battle than the entirety of wt11)
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 06:15:38
Whoa whoa whoa. I didn't know there was more than one judge D: Sorry sorry ><
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 08:50:24
I must apologise because I don't have time now to type out the reasons why I gave these points and I won;t be able to for the next 3 days. I will try to do it later tonight but I don't think I can. @Ricercar (3,1.5,2,4) (10.5/20) i guess congrats Jan
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 12:35:43
[B][SIZE="4"]Jan[/SIZE][/B]: 2/3 Judges [B][SIZE="4"]Ricercar[/SIZE][/B]: 1/3 Judges Anyway, @Ricercar that was a really close battle (most judging was off by 0.5) ~GG~
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 13:35:16
This is bull. Jan's combo was spammy, I could learn all of it except for the power tricks and such. So basically, He won because of stupid ass power tricks. Thanks UPSB.
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 13:52:11
Ricercar wrote: This is bull. Jan's combo was spammy, I could learn all of it except for the power tricks and such. So basically, He won because of stupid ass power tricks. Thanks UPSB.
Are you blind? Did you not see my linkages? I even wrote down a few... Either way, I was hoping for a much bigger win! Your combo was noob with all the Reverse Charge T1s. I just gotta work more on my Backs and more difficulty besides those epic sonic linkages... -
Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 14:00:18
Those links are 5 monther level at most. GoML Also, are you blind? what T1 Rev Charges?
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 14:08:26
ricercar,im sorry to say that,but the only highlight of ur combo is the twisted cobra bite and the wiper varitions,jan's combo is spammy too,but he spam with higher difficulty.
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 17:47:40
To be completely honest, I sort of wish that I could redo my judging and set the two creativity scores equal, as it appears that I forgot to factor in Jan's flush sonic linkage. Yes, this would result in a tie at 10.5/20, but a tie is what i guess i felt in the first place. I felt the biggest difference in the combos was that Jan had more assertiveness in his spinning, idk about the rest of you :dunno: EDIT: And lets avoid a flame war! Both spinners should not fret about this battle, but use it as motivation to improve, based on the weaknesses identified in this battle ^__^
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 17:51:37
Ricercar wrote: This is bull. Jan's combo was spammy, I could learn all of it except for the power tricks and such. So basically, He won because of stupid ass power tricks. Thanks UPSB.
and pretty good linkages, if he would have had no power tricks you would have had him in that regard..but do ptricks count for nothing in a combo? -
Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 18:05:38
Stare wrote: and pretty good linkages, if he would have had no power tricks you would have had him in that regard..but do ptricks count for nothing in a combo?
His entire combo was spam, and then a power trick session. There weren't that great of links anyway, its all sonic, charge, and twisted sonic, and i'm saying that power tricks shouldn't count for EVERYTHING in a combo, which they did in this case. -
Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 18:06:09
Hm, well I'm not going to say too much in the way of my opinion on a real combo being about consistent moderate difficulty and intricate linkages, with a nice rap-up, NOT spam all in the upright hand position without thought or intricacy, just a few finger twisters to try and say "pssst, this totally isn't a weak combo until the end, look at THIS," followed by a difficult finisher or heavy use of power tricks. As I'm Ricer's brother, any subjective opinion on the outcome would pretty much just be viewed as bias based on that, which I guess would be a minuscule portion of it? Anyway, this, to me, is comparable to way that Eriror's spinning is often less appreciated by other boards and a decent amount of people, versus say a person who uses more OBVIOUS difficulty all end-heavy of the combo than subtle, creative and intricate difficulty amidst the whole or most of the combo. I really think that my brother should have refilmed (1) with a little better use of lighting to somewhat help the FPS (though correct me if this wouldn't help, I tend to feel like my filming is at the least a little less bad quality than his, if I'm wrong about this (@Jan, that isn't a hai tua, you just pop the pen up, you need to make it wrap around your hand before saying you're actually doing it please XD just letting you know. look at vic's) > Double bust, Jan difficulty much much higher". That's not right, and to me it reflects your relative inexperience/time/skill with PS atm in comparison to Blah's and isuk's. Not to bash you or anything, you're a very cool and caring guy, and I respect you, but not your judging for this battle. Also, I don't think scores should be released or even considered without the justifications also present at the same time, it looks like you just threw out some subjective and biased numbers. To be frank, I think that a public poll in this case would have been much more appropriate, or at least better selection of judges so that all are experienced (see last paragraph). It doesn't matter that people might either vote for their respective "liked" person, or in the case of this battle i guess vote for the person that isn't the one they "dislike," or that they might troll to make the loser win, vote subjectively, or anything like that. Because of the issue of many people disliking Jan due to his newfagness (idk if this is still present, but I do know it was initially XD), I think this would actually STRENGTHEN the poll. The more experienced or intermediate spinners aren't stupid. They would recognize that it would seem like they would only be voting, say, for ricer because they hated Jan or thought he was annoying months ago, and for that very reason vote SERIOUSLY with real justification to back their opinion. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it would have been a much better indicator. It's too bad, imo, that the battle was so close. I really wish my bro had refilmed to make it just right and show his actual skill in a little better light. I know that he is a better spinner than Jan, Jan just has finishers going for him right now. TL;DR version: If you TL;DR'd this, then you're prolly one of the new spinners (or newfags) that I don't know, and that doesn't know what they're talking about. And/or you're like 12. Or you already agree/disagree. So there is no TL;DR version, the TL;DR version is that your opinion doesn't matter at all if you TL;DR'd it, that or you've already given one similar/dissimilar. For great justice!!!1!1!1111!!!!!1 .______________________.
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 18:11:07
blahblahting wrote: To be completely honest, I sort of wish that I could redo my judging and set the two creativity scores equal, as it appears that I forgot to factor in Jan's flush sonic linkage. Yes, this would result in a tie at 10.5/20, but a tie is what i guess i felt in the first place. I felt the biggest difference in the combos was that Jan had more assertiveness in his spinning, idk about the rest of you :dunno: EDIT: And lets avoid a flame war! Both spinners should not fret about this battle, but use it as motivation to improve, based on the weaknesses identified in this battle ^__^
I wouldn't fret about this if it were fair, but it's not, hence why I'm pissed off. -
Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 18:38:09
Iota wrote: Hm, well I'm not going to say too much in the way of my opinion on a real combo being about consistent moderate difficulty and intricate linkages, with a nice rap-up, NOT spam all in the upright hand position without thought or intricacy, just a few finger twisters to try and say "pssst, this totally isn't a weak combo until the end, look at THIS," followed by a difficult finisher or heavy use of power tricks. As I'm Ricer's brother, any subjective opinion on the outcome would pretty much just be viewed as bias based on that, which I guess would be a minuscule portion of it? Anyway, this, to me, is comparable to way that Eriror's spinning is often less appreciated by other boards and a decent amount of people, versus say a person who uses more OBVIOUS difficulty all end-heavy of the combo than subtle, creative and intricate difficulty amidst the whole or most of the combo. I really think that my brother should have refilmed (1) with a little better use of lighting to somewhat help the FPS (though correct me if this wouldn't help, I tend to feel like my filming is at the least a little less bad quality than his, if I'm wrong about this (@Jan, that isn't a hai tua, you just pop the pen up, you need to make it wrap around your hand before saying you're actually doing it please XD just letting you know. look at vic's) > Double bust, Jan difficulty much much higher". That's not right, and to me it reflects your relative inexperience/time/skill with PS atm in comparison to Blah's and isuk's. Not to bash you or anything, you're a very cool and caring guy, and I respect you, but not your judging for this battle. Also, I don't think scores should be released or even considered without the justifications also present at the same time, it looks like you just threw out some subjective and biased numbers. To be frank, I think that a public poll in this case would have been much more appropriate, or at least better selection of judges so that all are experienced (see last paragraph). It doesn't matter that people might either vote for their respective "liked" person, or in the case of this battle i guess vote for the person that isn't the one they "dislike," or that they might troll to make the loser win, vote subjectively, or anything like that. Because of the issue of many people disliking Jan due to his newfagness (idk if this is still present, but I do know it was initially XD), I think this would actually STRENGTHEN the poll. The more experienced or intermediate spinners aren't stupid. They would recognize that it would seem like they would only be voting, say, for ricer because they hated Jan or thought he was annoying months ago, and for that very reason vote SERIOUSLY with real justification to back their opinion. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it would have been a much better indicator. It's too bad, imo, that the battle was so close. I really wish my bro had refilmed to make it just right and show his actual skill in a little better light. I know that he is a better spinner than Jan, Jan just has finishers going for him right now. TL;DR version: If you TL;DR'd this, then you're prolly one of the new spinners (or newfags) that I don't know, and that doesn't know what they're talking about. And/or you're like 12. Or you already agree/disagree. So there is no TL;DR version, the TL;DR version is that your opinion doesn't matter at all if you TL;DR'd it, that or you've already given one similar/dissimilar. For great justice!!!1!1!1111!!!!!1 .______________________.
Your brother is Ricercar? -
Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 18:41:06
Who picked the judges?
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 18:41:30
@Jan No shit. It clearly says, "my brother", pretty sure you aren't his brother, but Ricer is. Oh shit. Logic.
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 18:59:57
@Jan , thanks for reading the post (sarcasm) >.>
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 22:13:12
sportsmanship is dead and penspinning killed it. this topic is getting out of hand
Iota wrote: Hm, well I'm not going to say too much in the way of my opinion on a real combo being about consistent moderate difficulty and intricate linkages, with a nice rap-up, NOT spam all in the upright hand position without thought or intricacy, just a few finger twisters to try and say "pssst, this totally isn't a weak combo until the end, look at THIS," followed by a difficult finisher or heavy use of power tricks. As I'm Ricer's brother, any subjective opinion on the outcome would pretty much just be viewed as bias based on that, which I guess would be a minuscule portion of it? Anyway, this, to me, is comparable to way that Eriror's spinning is often less appreciated by other boards and a decent amount of people, versus say a person who uses more OBVIOUS difficulty all end-heavy of the combo than subtle, creative and intricate difficulty amidst the whole or most of the combo. I really think that my brother should have refilmed (1) with a little better use of lighting to somewhat help the FPS (though correct me if this wouldn't help, I tend to feel like my filming is at the least a little less bad quality than his, if I'm wrong about this (@Jan, that isn't a hai tua, you just pop the pen up, you need to make it wrap around your hand before saying you're actually doing it please XD just letting you know. look at vic's) > Double bust, Jan difficulty much much higher". That's not right, and to me it reflects your relative inexperience/time/skill with PS atm in comparison to Blah's and isuk's. Not to bash you or anything, you're a very cool and caring guy, and I respect you, but not your judging for this battle. Also, I don't think scores should be released or even considered without the justifications also present at the same time, it looks like you just threw out some subjective and biased numbers. To be frank, I think that a public poll in this case would have been much more appropriate, or at least better selection of judges so that all are experienced (see last paragraph). It doesn't matter that people might either vote for their respective "liked" person, or in the case of this battle i guess vote for the person that isn't the one they "dislike," or that they might troll to make the loser win, vote subjectively, or anything like that. Because of the issue of many people disliking Jan due to his newfagness (idk if this is still present, but I do know it was initially XD), I think this would actually STRENGTHEN the poll. The more experienced or intermediate spinners aren't stupid. They would recognize that it would seem like they would only be voting, say, for ricer because they hated Jan or thought he was annoying months ago, and for that very reason vote SERIOUSLY with real justification to back their opinion. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it would have been a much better indicator. It's too bad, imo, that the battle was so close. I really wish my bro had refilmed to make it just right and show his actual skill in a little better light. I know that he is a better spinner than Jan, Jan just has finishers going for him right now. TL;DR version: If you TL;DR'd this, then you're prolly one of the new spinners (or newfags) that I don't know, and that doesn't know what they're talking about. And/or you're like 12. Or you already agree/disagree. So there is no TL;DR version, the TL;DR version is that your opinion doesn't matter at all if you TL;DR'd it, that or you've already given one similar/dissimilar. For great justice!!!1!1!1111!!!!!1 .______________________.
edit: i didn't read it because im a 'newfag' i didn't read it because it's 1678 words of :umad:
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 22:29:06
Dudak wrote: Who picked the judges?
I did. I'm actually considering making a public vote thread just for funsies. -
Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 22:30:27
And Stare, you are a newfag. Just sayin. Every one of those 1600 words was relevant and helpful.
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Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 23:45:32
Ricercar wrote: And Stare, you are a newfag. Just sayin. Every one of those 1600 words was relevant and helpful.
im not a newfag im an oldfag trollface rofl xD lulz so epic boxxy is awesome chin chan and m00t -
Date: Sun, Apr 3 2011 23:58:41
Ricercar wrote: I did. I'm actually considering making a public vote thread just for funsies.
Are you serious? You picked the judges yourself, and you're still complaining about them being biased? You, sir, are an idiot. Just accept the fact that you lost fair and square. -
Date: Mon, Apr 4 2011 01:47:52
I agree with the results of the judging. After reviewing the two videos, I believe that Jan's combo won because of more and better material and far better execution. The one highlight of your (Ricercar's) combo, the twisted cobra bite, was performed terribly, albeit smoothly. You without doubt lost this battle, and now you are trying to patch it up using a public referendum where the public is clearly biased against Jan? Shady, if you ask me. If you can't take the fact that you lost, then you shouldn't have challenged him. Reading through this thread, it becomes obvious to me that a lot of this battle was hinging on the fact that most of UPSB would rather see Jan gone and dead than vote for him. As the results indicate, this plan backfired and now you are trying to use public opinion to save face. Jan may be more annoying, but he's a better spinner, so suck it up.
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Date: Mon, Apr 4 2011 02:58:23
that was quite... harsh? frank seems more appropriate, hoiboy :ssst:
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Date: Mon, Apr 4 2011 03:33:54
Dudak wrote: Are you serious? You picked the judges yourself, and you're still complaining about them being biased? You, sir, are an idiot. Just accept the fact that you lost fair and square.
I really just chose the first ones that volunteered. if you look back, you can see that they "signed up". I picked them because they are fairly good spinners. I didn't do that much of research on their judging, but how could I, in retrospect. And Hoiboy, I wasn't intending to use the public opinion on Jan as a shoe-in to win; why do you think I didn't use public vote? I'd seen his videos, and I thought that I could take him. @Jan, I'm sorry for all of this flaming, and I hope there is no hard feelings. Congratulations, and GL in your future battles, collabs, and PSing in general. Thanks for the challenge. -
Date: Mon, Apr 4 2011 04:17:57
How did I miss something like this..?
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Date: Mon, Apr 4 2011 04:48:18
Wind;81245]How did I miss something like this..?[/QUOTE] cuz yer a newcomer
:beer:
[QUOTE=Ricercar wrote:
I really just chose the first ones that volunteered. if you look back, you can see that they "signed up". I picked them because they are fairly good spinners. I didn't do that much of research on their judging, but how could I, in retrospect.
And Hoiboy, I wasn't intending to use the public opinion on Jan as a shoe-in to win; why do you think I didn't use public vote? I'd seen his videos, and I thought that I could take him.
@Jan, I'm sorry for all of this flaming, and I hope there is no hard feelings.
Congratulations, and GL in your future battles, collabs, and PSing in general. Thanks for the challenge. -
Date: Tue, Apr 5 2011 00:36:24
Stare wrote: cuz yer a newcomer http://i55.tinypic.com/2133qr6.jpg :beer:
i hope your joking about that =.= lol good battle, twas so close -
Date: Tue, Apr 5 2011 00:39:05
Stare wrote: cuz yer a newcomer http://i55.tinypic.com/2133qr6.jpg :beer:
:facepalm: -
Date: Tue, Apr 5 2011 01:25:15
Wow, I thought Ricercar was going to get destroyed, but he came up with linkages I did not expect from him :O. And yes Jan was spammy but in the same time, difficulty was present among those spammy linkages. This came out closer than I thought :O. I'm more surprised with the creative tricks that Ricercar did like changing the directions in a nice way but yes sometimes the linkages look repetitive, but paying more attention very few. Some advices to both: [B][COLOR="red"]Jan:[/COLOR][/B] Get more variety plz, not only sonic, charge, tw sonic variations, baks and arounds are needed, also, less power tricks so it does not look repetitive and over-rated even though it is already ;). You did less than usual in this combo, which is a nice change from you, you might be annoying, but a good spinner overall. [B]Note: Annoying to me is very low, but to my other upsb buddies, yes he is very :(.[/B] [B][COLOR="blue"]Ricercar:[/COLOR][/B] Ok ricercar, I can advice u by experience that the hardest tricks or highlights of the combo YES are in the beginning and perhaps the 2nd harder ones are at the end, but another fact IMO is that they should be well-presented or well-executed which includes the point of OFF-CAM and such. Another thing that I am really aware of is PAUSES, after the FL TA REV, there is a slight pause which bring (no confidence) in your mind, that happens when yes, was filmed many times, I understand that :facepalm:, that happens. And finally, maybe get a better finisher if you are going to add variety and difficulty in your combos. Double Bust is understandable for any short combo or simple combo, or even for a collab. But for a battle, it does not get many points knowing that the adversary has power tricks o.O (THIS IS BASED IMO ONLY) I am not saying (DO IT FOO <_<), I am saying (It would be better baby ;)) [B]Note: You are not annoying and such, you just get frustated too much boy, just relax a little and minimize bad words ;).[/B] So good job to both :clap: You are both great spinners, the goal is to be excellent :rolleyes: @Jan
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Date: Tue, Apr 5 2011 01:54:52
miyat wrote: i hope your joking about that =.= lol good battle, twas so close
pf i calls em like i sees em i know hes not actually a newcomer though -
Date: Tue, Apr 5 2011 03:09:34
Stare wrote: pf i calls em like i sees em i know hes not actually a newcomer though
Hey.. wanna battle? ;) -
Date: Tue, Apr 5 2011 03:20:09
Wind wrote: Hey.. wanna battle? ;)
:ssst: -
Date: Tue, Apr 5 2011 03:43:33
Stare wrote: :ssst:
yes? okay -
Date: Tue, Apr 5 2011 05:23:04
I liked Ricercar's combo better, it looked more appealing to me. Jan had crazy flush sonic linkages but idk Ricercar's combo looked more appealing. Good job both of you ^_^
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Date: Tue, Apr 5 2011 05:26:42
Wind wrote: Hey.. wanna battle? ;)
Wow, this actually was intense, nice ^_^ -
Date: Tue, Apr 5 2011 20:40:34
I wonder if i could beat Jan XD
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Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 02:29:39
Iota wrote: I wonder if i could beat Jan XD
Try it, you are good, and he is good, you just lack of Hard tricks in the finishing part comparing to him of course :P. Nah, JK, I would like to see you battle Jan, it would be interesting, both of you guys were in the UPSB tournament, and both were good. :clap: -
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 05:20:27
Escorpio123 wrote: Try it, you are good, and he is good, you just lack of Hard tricks in the finishing part comparing to him of course :P. Nah, JK, I would like to see you battle Jan, it would be interesting, both of you guys were in the UPSB tournament, and both were good. :clap:
free for all ? u 2, e123 and me? -
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 07:25:23
exclusive wrote: free for all ? u 2, e123 and me?
Lol exclusive u love battling me huh? for some reason, We can do another Free-For-All but I am not too inspired for this one anymore :(. The combo that I did for the Free-For-All was epic indeed but it took too long :facepalm: and I have filmed 4 times in past week, and still need to record 3 more for other collabs :/. Later on maybe :). @exclusive -
Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 22:59:21
Escorpio123 wrote: Lol exclusive u love battling me huh? for some reason, We can do another Free-For-All but I am not too inspired for this one anymore :(. The combo that I did for the Free-For-All was epic indeed but it took too long :facepalm: and I have filmed 4 times in past week, and still need to record 3 more for other collabs :/. Later on maybe :). @exclusive
ill wait