UPSB v4
General Discussion / WT11 - Round 3 - Videos OUT!
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 05:54:06
Official link: http://www.worldpenspinning.com/?p=517 TXT format: http://www.worldpenspinning.com/wt11/r3/r3matchups.txt Good luck all!
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 05:56:06
oh wow, good luck to UPSB spinners, wish the best :rolleyes:
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 05:58:55
Oh yeah!so hyped doods!
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 06:04:29
predictions?
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 06:27:19
[B]s777[/B] vs Eriror - Eriror should put up a good fight. Supawit vs [B]Vic[/B] - Probably UPSB bias on my part. Will be close. Sister_R vs [B]Sponge[/B] - Sponge is so legit. But Sister does have popularity advantage. HAL vs Baaron repeat? [B]snow[/B] vs Rex - Can't decide. Will be close. Raeik vs [B]A13X[/B] - Technically superior, though I prefer Raeik's style. HAL vs [B]BaiMai[/B] - HAL needs pull some amazing stuff because BaiMai is beast. [B]x1213[/B] vs Minzian - x1213 with the popularity advantage. I hope they both don't recycle too much. [B]kin[/B] vs Mesi - I love Mesi, but kin is better technically.
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 06:48:01
[B]s777[/B] vs Eriror - Dammit... Why did one of our best spinners best put with S777 >.< Goodluck Eriror I wanna see you pull out some amazing sick stuff ;D. If you don't you've lost this certainly :( [B]Supawit[/B] vs Vic - Vic is a better spinner imo but as we have seen before with Baaron vs. Hal, popularity is a big thing to consider. I feel there will be more bias for Supawit but imo Vic is a far superior spinner. [B]Sister_R[/B] vs Sponge - Baaron vs. Hal >.> Routing for sponge if he cleans up some of his sloppiness. snow vs [B]Rex [/B]- Snow has very appealing spinner but I think Rex is more experienced and will take this out with nice links and awesome style with smoothness. [B]Raeik[/B] vs A13X - Raeik is ultra smooth and has amazing links. Unless A13x does something amazing other than baks, Raeik's got this. HAL vs [B]BaiMai[/B] - Hal is overrated, Baimai is amazing. [B]x1213[/B] vs Minzian - Another popularity thing but even with the popularity making things bias, I think x1213 has a beautiful spin and will easily win this if he doesn't recycle shit. kin vs [B]Mesi[/B] - This could honestly go both ways but I think Mesi will win if his combo is longer this time. Looking for more new material from Kin :D
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 07:09:07
Again, these match ups are really close, no one has a really clear shot at winning. Good luck Vic and Eriror!
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 07:12:56
fuck why does s777 vs eriror and vic vs supawit happen so early? =__= predictions: [B]s777 [/B]vs Eriror - s777 will have to try very hard to win this time, eriror will do well, but s777 is simply too monstrous :( s777 win Supawit vs [B]Vic [/B]- close, i think supawit has quite a lot of 1p2h/2p2h stuff he hasn't shown yet, but vic's linkages are crazy. vic will probably win by a small margin. [B]Sister_R[/B] vs Sponge - sister's spinning looks the same in many of his combos, i wonder if he can pull any different-looking links this time. sponge's linkages are superior and more creative imo, but judge fanboyism --> sister_r wins snow vs [B]Rex [/B]- epic 1p2h spinner vs a veteran, rex's spinning has more 'substance' imo, while snow has more appeal --> rex wins Raeik vs [B]A13X [/B]- raeik's style is a bit more appealing than A13X's, but A13X's insane baks (most of which he hasn't used yet), mastery of topspins and other tricks, as well as possible 1p2h/2p2h give him a bit of advantage over raeik, whose r2 combo seemed of a slightly lower level than his r1; A13X wins HAL vs [B]BaiMai [/B]- HAL's been winning on judge favoritism, against baimai's 2h spinning and spinless (best in the world in both those areas as of yet), it won't be much use --> baimai wins [B]x1213 [/B]vs Minzian - x1213 will probably win, he's been competing in international level events for very long. as said before, it'd be nice if they did something different (their r2 vids reused quite a few elements of their r1 ones) [B]kin [/B]vs Mesi - kin is god of mx, there's very few spinners today who could copy his old combos with any mod at all. mesi's links are impressive, but kin has more variety, creativity and submits combos of decent length for WT(jk, but if mesi wants to stand a chance, a sub-15 second combo just doesn't cut it)
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 07:16:23
HAL won? my ass.
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 07:34:36
This is gonna be good. I am lookin' forward to these combos. o.o
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 07:56:08
s777 is an overconfident fool, he will be beaten by eriror just like bonkura. put he'll probably try to make a combo with a toothpick or a hairpin or something the only other match i really care about is vic vs supawit but unfortunately i dont think vic is gonna win.. but there is doubt so i will definitely stick around to see what happens here gl to every1 else!
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 08:03:38
Looking forward to supawit and vic's one. well as for predictions supawit always made far in wt, same for sister R and errior supawit its time to show your skillz!
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 08:31:09
First prediction or analysis by me for this WT, was too busy to provide analysis in earlier rounds [B]s777 (FPSB)[/B] vs Eriror (UPSB) - at this stage, predicting s777, but this match all depends on the combo. either i'm being optimistic, or maybe a bit of a hunch, eriror may be able to bring back his legendkiller title from WT09. still this will be a monstrous battle Supawit127 (THPSC) vs Vicgotgame (UPSB) - another huge battle, both are amazing, vic has shown more skill in the tornament thus far, but no doubt supawit has something amazing in store. maybe a minor hiccup for supa this round, facing an opponent he may have picked for the final rounds, thus forcing him to show material earlier than planned? still not sure on the outcome Sister_R (JEB) vs [B]Sponge (GPC)[/B] - sister r's combos look all the same to me, not a great fan. but yes, the fanboyism of the judges might come into play again. snow (PSH) vs Rex (TWPS) - i love the combos snow puts out, but rex is techinically superior.... i'll be content with snow releasing one more beautiful combo Raeik (FPSB) vs [B]A13x (FPSB)[/B] - baks are crazy, like raeik's style, but like snow vs rex, technical skill should beat the appeal HAL (JEB) vs [B]BaiMai (THPSC)[/B] - there got to be some major bullshit going on if the match goes any other way (assuming HAL is HAL and BaiMai is brilliant). MOAR MATERIAL FROM BAIMAI! MOAR!!! [B]x1213 (TWPS)[/B] vs Minzian (TWPS) [B]kin (HKPSA)[/B] vs Mesi (JEB) - at this stage, kin, although i do love mesi.... but kin is amazing
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 09:26:32
lulz wtf .__. ek vs s777....supawit vs vic... most watched battles i think -0-
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 10:46:44
s777 (FPSB) vs Eriror (UPSB) = i can't say, but it depends of s777, not really of eriror. [B]Supawit127 (THPSC)[/B] vs Vicgotgame (UPSB) = supawit is overall better [B]Sister_R (JEB)[/B] vs Sponge (GPC) = sponge showed his strenght, but still, sister_r snow (PSH) vs [B]Rex (TWPS)[/B] = rex rex rex Raeik (FPSB) vs [B]A13x (FPSB)[/B] = more powerful [B]HAL (JEB)[/B] vs BaiMai (THPSC) = huuuh i really love both.... baimai you're awesome my friend, but you have to work hard here. show me i'm wrong ^^. Hal. [B]x1213 (TWPS)[/B] vs Minzian (TWPS) = x1213, what a beast [B]kin (HKPSA)[/B] vs Mesi (JEB) = mesi finally have to show 100% of his skill, or he won't pass. japen6thcombo-like plz!
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 13:10:41
I'm glad I only expected to go to the Quarterfinals. Means I can go all out. :)
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 13:38:31
dude vic didnt ecen try last round guys hes got this if he trys.... IF he trys
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 13:54:57
THIS [COLOR="red"] [B]s777 (FPSB ) vs Eriror (UPSB ) Supawit127 (THPSC) vs Vicgotgame (UPSB )[/B][/COLOR] WTH IS THIS! Ugh..my goodness. Its unfortunate, personally i think these should have been the top 4 spinners in the world tournament... :/ I wish there was a secondary round, or i wish the system was more like the 1st round where it more accurately shows the rankings.. =.= ...it would prevent chances like these happening. firstly best of luck eriror. This is actually the match ive been wishing for, for the longest time and its probably the same for others. I just wish it didnt come soon, both you and s777 deserve to be in the top 5. Yep...this is the apocalypse... but i agree.. if anything you had saved up at all, use it all right now. also best of luck vic. :/ ive never seen a spinner increase his ability so much within a couple years. its funny... both you and supawit are probably the strongest students/dervitives of the "peem style". kinda reminds me of ryu and ken. =================================================================== .....these battles are going to be FUCKING AWESOME!! :D :D :D :D :D!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 14:12:37
I believe in Eriror, he'll smack s777.
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 14:55:53
[B]s777 (FPSB ) vs Eriror (UPSB ) Supawit127 (THPSC) vs Vicgotgame (UPSB )[/B] Worth watching. I don't know who will win these rounds. Good luck UPSB. Wish you best luck.
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 19:07:42
Eriror and Vic, I believe in you. Pull out your best combos NOW!!!
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 19:19:18
Most hyped round in the WT yet. With these matchups, I'm sure every spinner will pull out every card they've been hiding and the best they got! xD
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 19:20:15
Erirornal Kraione wrote: I'm glad I only expected to go to the Quarterfinals. Means I can go all out. :)
just smack s777 out of the way and you have a clear shot to #1 spinner in the world!!! :cheer: -
Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 19:50:44
final 4 will be imo (depending on who has to battle who in the next round) : Eriror Supawit (sorry vic, I love your spinning, you both are amazing) snow A13X EDIT: I've changed my predictions like 5 times :(
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 20:05:49
s777 vs [B]Eriror[/B] - Hmm, I would like s777 to put forth something much better on the table this time around. Like in r2, i think he underestimated his opponent. Although ASin put up a good fight, s777 still made it though. But, unless he does something like what he did in FPSB's 4th, i think Eriror is gonna take this home. Eriror has been amazing this tournament, I would have to choose him for this matchup. [B]Supawit[/B] vs Vic -Well supawit has amazing 2h1p stuff. Vic has amazing linkages. I mean, I guess we will have to wait and see, but I believe Supawit is going to take this one. 2p1h allows a bit more creativity, who knows what he can pull off. Sister_R vs [B]Sponge[/B] - GPC fan boi yeee! But Sister_R is one of my all time fav spinners. Hmm this is also going to be up for grabs. But I will have to choose Sponge, very creative. [B]snow[/B] vs Rex - I loved snow in round 2. Pyralux + Minwoo style right there. Snow is a very great candidate for this round. Raeik vs [B]A13X[/B] - This match is crazy. Once again, in this tournament we have to see 2 FPSB spinners face off. I love both styles from the spinners, but A13X was a spinner I liked from the start. HAL vs [B]BaiMai[/B] - Baimai, mainly because HAL eliminated a fellow Canadian Spinner Baaron. Madd bias opinion. [B]x1213[/B] vs Minzian - Hmm x1213 was really great in rd 2. Id vote him this time around too. [B]kin[/B] vs Mesi - This is another intense matchup. I always loved kin's style (mx godddd) and Mesi is just epic. But id have to choose kin, i have to see what he will pull off this time around. :D
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 21:37:18
I'm routing for eriror and supawit :D
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 23:25:06
whoops delete pl0x
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Date: Sat, Mar 5 2011 23:29:33
s777 vs [B]Eriror[/B] - omg its like bonkura vs. eriror all over again o.O well i see that eriror is going all out, and from s777's r2 video, im not so sure, but they both got to try really hard to win. I say eriror [B]Supawit[/B] vs Vic - NOO THIS CANT BE HAPPENING THE ONLY TWO POWER TRICK SPINNERS THAT I RESPECT GOES AGAINST EACH OTHER. Supawit got amazing 1p2h skills, and vic has amazing linkages. but im not sure if vic is trying currently, so i say supawit. But if vic actually trys this time im not so sure/ Sister_R vs Sponge - hmm im not sure about this, because i really dont know sponge :P but from what i saw last round, it might get close but i dont know [B]snow[/B] vs Rex - I really liked snow's r2 video, and i want to see more of him. Raeik vs [B]A13X[/B] - A13x's style is amazing, and im sure he can go far in the tourney HAL vs [B]BaiMai[/B] - Well, ive heard so many HAL is overrated, and stuff like that, but he is a great spinner, and does have the skill to go far. But BaiMai is simply amazing as well, his spinless combo was amazing last round. so BaiMai [B]x1213 [/B]vs Minzian - i simply love style like x1213, amazing finger independence. Im sure he can go far as well kin vs [B]Mesi[/B] - I love Mesi, and his spinning is one of my favorites now. But also kin, with his amazing MX skills, are really amazing. This is a really hard one, but ill go with Mesi
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Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 02:22:13
s777 was probably holding back in round 2. ... do you guys honestly think he's used up all his steam and was doing his best?? =.= no way... and i stand my ground when i think asin probably should have not made it to round 2.. stylish, but lacking...s777 probably thinkgs the same and held back quite bit...even though his links were awesome. Eriror at his a fullest and s777 at his fullest will be so good to watch. undecided who will win. im rooting for both to do their best. vic vs supa.. vic has got this in the bag :/ . we've been wathcing supa for a long time, half of his tricks are the same...links but in dififerent order or differnetly linked. invesrse bak 1.5s (pun nu or whatever), switch spreads, 2p2h, bust haitua. vic however always brings out somethign stylish along with near equivalent power. (but i still love supawit for his overall skill, still a great spinner just saying i think vic has more to show)
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Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 02:42:43
s777 (FPSB) vs Eriror (UPSB) This man beat Bonkura, he can do it again. I'm not saying s777 is the next Bonkura, I'm just saying the like level is the same... I can't say what I want to say. Supawit127 (THPSC) vs Vicgotgame (UPSB) The spinner who uses one hand always wins, I give you Example A) KTH vs. Eriror, Example B) Spinnerpeem vs. Minwoo Sister_R (JEB) vs Sponge (GPC) I'm going to go with everyone else because I don't know anything about these spinners. snow (PSH) vs Rex (TWPS) Rex is a boss but this is a crap shoot. Raeik (FPSB) vs A13x (FPSB) A13x needs to grow more as a spinner if he wants to go any farther. HAL (JEB) vs BaiMai (THPSC) BaiMai is way over the top, plus HAL is this year's Answer x1213 (TWPS) vs Minzian (TWPS) This man knows how to spin. kin (HKPSA) vs Mesi (JEB) No contest. I'm going to try and predict the rest of the tournament: (This would be my ideal rest of it, sorry Eriror, I love you the most but there needs to be an upset, you can't have a tournament without an upset)
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Round 4 kin vs Eriror x1213 vs Sister_R Vicgotgame vs Raeik HAL vs Rex Semi Finals Vicgotgame vs HAL kin vs x1213 Finals Vicgotgame vs kin -
Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 03:05:24
cant wait to see who wins
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Date: Sun, Mar 6 2011 05:40:25
@Zombo link to drawing videos?
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 15:14:12
s777 will win just because nobody likes erior for beating bonkura. vic will win just because he is vic, and has mastered the art of linkages and penspinning in general.
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 16:24:44
[B]s777[/B] vs Eriror - I believe s777 has saved lots of stuff and will show us at this round. If you look at his FPSB tournament 2010 videos, you understand what I mean exactly. And Eriror, he is just good but not good as much as s777 imo. [B]Supawit127[/B] vs Vic - Both great spinner and favorites of the tournie. But as i said about s777, supawit has something to show(I bet vic has, too; but Supawit is better in the end imo) So I think Supawit will take it. Sister_R vs [B]Sponge[/B] - Hmm close battle. But Sponge will own imo. His execution is just good but Sister_R's combos dont look nice as much as Sponge. snow vs Rex - I have no idea, 2 amazing spinners, both have big chance to win this round. The one who does something has not done before will own(?) Raeik vs [B]A13X[/B] - In linkages, Raeik is a little bit better than alex but, alex is fucking so powerful, his backs, top spins, aerials, conts... HAL vs BaiMai - Depends on the judges... Both can win, Its hard to guess. [B]x1213[/B] vs Minzian - x1213 has a lovely style and people likes his sexy fingers. Looks like gonna beat Minzian but if Minzian comes with super powerful something(?) he may win. [B]kin[/B] vs Mesi - In round 2, Mesi did not take the tournei serious, his combo is not good enough i think. If he does the same, he may lose. And kin, just great spinner; smooth, perfect executer, high difficulity and there is no prob at his presentation. Dont know, though. And I'd like to add, im not a big fan of Mesi.
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 16:26:12
Vic already filmed his combo O_O seems super confident...
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Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 17:12:19
Zombo wrote: Vic already filmed his combo O_O seems super confident...
Snow did too. -
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 21:15:47
Zombo wrote: Vic already filmed his combo O_O seems super confident...
Have you not seen how amazing Vic is? -
Date: Mon, Mar 7 2011 22:53:02
not surprising :( ERIROR better win S777 :D im on ur back :D
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Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 08:52:42
I think s777 is one of the most skilled spinner now. Aside from all of the bad talk about him, that stuff doesn't really matter. I really like s777 but i know its not going to be easy for him if eriror does plan to go all out. They both are very experienced spinners. This match can got either way. I'm personally rooting for Eriror just cuz hes awesome. Vic and supawit is a mega battle. Both spinners are very skilled and have a huge trick bank. Supawit's spinning i think is more "flashy" while vic's is more technical. Meaning that a none spinner would probably appeal more with supawits spinning while us spinners can enjoy the complexity of vic's links and how amazing he can come up with so many. I really would like vic to win but the edge might go to supawit. I really hope vic can still keep motivated and perform a great combo, if he has filmed one or not. as for the other matches...snow and rex will be a good one. both have very different styles, and very good at what they do. Raeik vs A13X- i would probably say A13X. He seems to have more going on in his combos in comparison to Raeik who probably has maybe one or two good moments. HAL vs BaiMai- both are pretty even. depends on judges and how hard they try. Same goes with X1213 vs Minzian i think... Kin vs Mesi- Kin makes combos for battles. Mesi doesn't. Mesi has beautiful short combos great for show casing off pen spinning as an art. But they are not good for a battle. I thought the same thing about ponkotu in the last round. And Bonkura vs eriror in WT07
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Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 08:55:46
I have a feeling Idola will make his appearance in the WT soon.
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Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 09:20:51
Hmm.. I dunno, I think perhaps increased difficulty using 1 hand would be better than lowered difficulty and using 2 hands. Judges in the past haven't given too many points for difficulty for 2p2h spinning, but who knows... lol
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Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 14:55:20
Errr ... VIC and Snow already ? Where are the videos ?
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Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 15:35:47
well i also found that whenever Eriror pulls out Idola for assitance, he dosent seem to win :/ even though i thoughht he should have (like against kth and supawit in WT07/09) . but i really love erirors 2p2h, perhaps the worlds finest.. so i hope to see it in this round ^^. but s777 can also do 2p2h. OMG THIS IS GOING TO BE SICK!!
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Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 17:13:14
Idola..? Is that eriror's left hand or something? seems pretty similar in style EDIT: nah nvm. it is
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Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 21:02:56
JC wrote: Hmm.. I dunno, I think perhaps increased difficulty using 1 hand would be better than lowered difficulty and using 2 hands. Judges in the past haven't given too many points for difficulty for 2p2h spinning, but who knows... lol
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Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 22:54:00
s777 > Eriror - I think s777 will barely edge this one, he may be a little better and definitely has some bias in his favor. Eriror will be tough though, I think he'll pull out some 1p2h or even 2p2h Supawit127 < Vicgotgame - Supawit is crazy, but I don't think the bias towards him is enough to match Vic's superiority Sister_R < Sponge - I think this should happen, but SR's fame will probably get him a win. Raeik > A13x - A13x will probably pull some nice links out, but Raeik is pretty popular and will probably win HAL < BaiMai - HAL is no match for BaiMai x1213 > Minzian - I think x1213 is just better than Minzian, not much bias either way kin > Mesi - This is tough to call, but kin is probably barely better than Mesi just because he's spinning an MX, and he's pretty popular snow < Rex - Rex is better and has a little bias towards him. A little surprised he beat Ponkotu. This is probably way off though, the R2 results were all f***ed up. -_-
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Date: Tue, Mar 8 2011 23:04:14
darkdazh wrote: s777 > Eriror - I think s777 will barely edge this one, he may be a little better and definitely has some bias in his favor. Eriror will be tough though, I think he'll pull out some 1p2h or even 2p2h Supawit127 < Vicgotgame - Supawit is crazy, but I don't think the bias towards him is enough to match Vic's superiority Sister_R < Sponge - I think this should happen, but SR's fame will probably get him a win. Raeik > A13x - A13x will probably pull some nice links out, but Raeik is pretty popular and will probably win HAL < BaiMai - HAL is no match for BaiMai x1213 > Minzian - I think x1213 is just better than Minzian, not much bias either way kin > Mesi - This is tough to call, but kin is probably barely better than Mesi just because he's spinning an MX, and he's pretty popular snow < Rex - Rex is better and has a little bias towards him. A little surprised he beat Ponkotu. This is probably way off though, the R2 results were all f***ed up. -_-
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 00:09:38
@TEK Eriror FTW :D
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 01:11:22
darkdazh wrote: s777 > Eriror - I think s777 will barely edge this one, he may be a little better and definitely has some bias in his favor. Eriror will be tough though, I think he'll pull out some 1p2h or even 2p2h Supawit127 < Vicgotgame - Supawit is crazy, but I don't think the bias towards him is enough to match Vic's superiority Sister_R < Sponge - I think this should happen, but SR's fame will probably get him a win. Raeik > A13x - A13x will probably pull some nice links out, but Raeik is pretty popular and will probably win HAL < BaiMai - HAL is no match for BaiMai x1213 > Minzian - I think x1213 is just better than Minzian, not much bias either way kin > Mesi - This is tough to call, but kin is probably barely better than Mesi just because he's spinning an MX, and he's pretty popular snow < Rex - Rex is better and has a little bias towards him. A little surprised he beat Ponkotu. This is probably way off though, the R2 results were all f***ed up. -_-
That'll probably be way off but not because the judging is fucked up, cause R2 results weren't all that off from the predicted/expected. -Vic and supawit will be pretty close, vic is not 'that' superior to supawit...though I do think Vic will win given that he makes a combo that far exceeds his R2 combo.. -Hal and BaiMai will be a lot closer than you made it sound too i think, i think that match could go either way -and given Tek's reasoning(i think it was tek?) kin will win by a pretty large gap, rather than just a small one -and rex has bias? not anymore than snow has i think... and if you think bias is the winning factor for everything, no wonder why you were surprised ponkotu lost... judges do make an attempt to rid themselves of their bias while judging as much as possible -
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 01:26:27
Waiiitttt,what's Idola! ?
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 01:28:34
@Jazz Eriror's Left hand
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 01:41:12
Hippo2626 wrote: @Jazz Eriror's Left hand
Why is that? -
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 01:53:10
Eriror named his left hand idola Ponkotu also named his left hand lol
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 02:09:38
Haha I shall name my right hand dick and my left hand Johnson :D
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 02:38:36
clever.
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 03:28:55
1st, yes vic did not try on his round two combo, 2nd, i honestly dont know if hes trying this round, he's always wanted this battle so he actually might be trying. and 3rd, yes, vic doesnt give 2 shits about penspinning anymore, yes i said it.....not one shit but two shits.
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 06:11:08
JC wrote: That'll probably be way off but not because the judging is fucked up, cause R2 results weren't all that off from the predicted/expected. -Vic and supawit will be pretty close, vic is not 'that' superior to supawit...though I do think Vic will win given that he makes a combo that far exceeds his R2 combo.. -Hal and BaiMai will be a lot closer than you made it sound too i think, i think that match could go either way -and given Tek's reasoning(i think it was tek?) kin will win by a pretty large gap, rather than just a small one -and rex has bias? not anymore than snow has i think... and if you think bias is the winning factor for everything, no wonder why you were surprised ponkotu lost... judges do make an attempt to rid themselves of their bias while judging as much as possible
I don't think bias decides everything, I never said that anywhere. And when I said the R2 results were fucked up, I didn't mean they weren't expected. There's a misconception that I'm "shocked" that the judges voted the way they did, it's just my opinion that they should've done otherwise. - Vic being "superior" to Supawit is a strong way to say he's a little better than Supawit, I wasn't trying to say he's so much better than Supawit. - I don't see how BaiMai and HAL can be "close" at all. BaiMai wont utterly destroy HAL, HAL is a WT level spinner. It just seems like there's a clear winner here. - kin is insane, his linkages and combo structure are really good, but none of what I've seen of his has made me rewind the video because I didn't understand what he just did. You know? Like his tricks are pretty straight-forward, his combos are just impressive cause it's an MX and he's so smooth, etc. TEK made the point that Mesi makes short combos, but that can be easily overcome. Nothing of his reasoning for the winner of this battle really suggests that kin will win by a wide margin for any reason. If Mesi puts some determination into this, he could probably come up with some nice linkages for a pretty competitive combo. I just think people like kin's presentation overall more than Mesi's. - Rex will probably win just because I think he's better than snow. It'd be hard to tell who the judges would rather put through though if the battle were close. These are hardly "predictions" though... just what I think "should" happen. I don't know how the judges think. -_- -
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 06:37:13
darkdazh wrote: these are hardly "predictions" though... just what I think "should" happen. I don't know how the judges think. -_-
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 06:41:47
Stare wrote: wait, you havent even seen their videos yet you already know who should win?
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 06:48:44
darkdazh;72406]I don't think bias decides everything, I never said that anywhere. And when I said the R2 results were fucked up, I didn't mean they weren't expected. There's a misconception that I'm "shocked" that the judges voted the way they did, it's just my opinion that they should've done otherwise. - Vic being "superior" to Supawit is a strong way to say he's a little better than Supawit, I wasn't trying to say he's so much better than Supawit. - I don't see how BaiMai and HAL can be "close" at all. BaiMai wont utterly destroy HAL, HAL is a WT level spinner. It just seems like there's a clear winner here. - kin is insane, his linkages and combo structure are really good, but none of what I've seen of his has made me rewind the video because I didn't understand what he just did. You know? Like his tricks are pretty straight-forward, his combos are just impressive cause it's an MX and he's so smooth, etc. TEK made the point that Mesi makes short combos, but that can be easily overcome. Nothing of his reasoning for the winner of this battle really suggests that kin will win by a wide margin for any reason. If Mesi puts some determination into this, he could probably come up with some nice linkages for a pretty competitive combo. I just think people like kin's presentation overall more than Mesi's. - Rex will probably win just because I think he's better than snow. It'd be hard to tell who the judges would rather put through though if the battle were close. These are hardly "predictions" though... just what I think "should" happen. I don't know how the judges think. -_-[/QUOTE] You never said bias decides everything outrightly, but in most of your reasonings... you use bias as a reason for something or another. -Vic and Supawit are close to begin with. But I interpreted your statement as... even though there is bias in supawit's favor... even though vic is as a disadvantage because of that, I thought you had thought that vic was superior enough to overcome that bias and still win for sure. And I disagree that it's hard to say that vic would win for sure because the difference between them isn't that great. -Hm, yea, I just don't think there's a clear winner here lol -what i meant from tek's post was that i agreed with tek when he said kin makes combos for battles whereas while mesi makes good links too, he does not make combos for battles... it goes past the fact that kin's using a MX, he just makes stronger combos for grabbing the most points during a battle with a rubric such as this -perhaps, i'm not sure in what ways he's better though...but i don'tknow too much about them I just don't think you should have bias/popularity placed in your reasoning for 5/8 battles. Just because a battle is close, that doesn't mean bias will come into play in deciding. I was a judge for WC10 and I really did make an active attempt to rid myself of bias and judged as fairly as possible; that and I discussed with others to hear various other opinions in case I missed things that I did not see it during my first analysis of vids. To say judges will end up choosing based on bias (that they may not think about consciously) between close battles, or as a factor in your reasonings for so many battles, I think is undermining all the work that judges do to make this as fair as possible. [QUOTE=Stare wrote: wait, you havent even seen their videos yet you already know who should win?
Nobody knows who will win for sure until the results come out of course... but people can make both pre-vid predictions and pre-result predictions. I don't see what's so wrong with making pre-video predictions... -
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 07:02:33
JC wrote: but people can make both pre-vid predictions and pre-result predictions. I don't see what's so wrong with making pre-video predictions...
i just say the proof is in the pudding no point arguing over this stuff til vids come out :) my prediction.. eriror takes champion title.. but i wont get into details because the more u go into details the more likely to be wrong the prediction is.. -
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 07:26:15
JC wrote: You never said bias decides everything outrightly, but in most of your reasonings... you use bias as a reason for something or another. -Vic and Supawit are close to begin with. But I interpreted your statement as... even though there is bias in supawit's favor... even though vic is as a disadvantage because of that, I thought you had thought that vic was superior enough to overcome that bias and still win for sure. And I disagree that it's hard to say that vic would win for sure because the difference between them isn't that great. -Hm, yea, I just don't think there's a clear winner here lol -what i meant from tek's post was that i agreed with tek when he said kin makes combos for battles whereas while mesi makes good links too, he does not make combos for battles... it goes past the fact that kin's using a MX, he just makes stronger combos for grabbing the most points during a battle with a rubric such as this -perhaps, i'm not sure in what ways he's better though...but i don'tknow too much about them I just don't think you should have bias/popularity placed in your reasoning for 5/8 battles. Just because a battle is close, that doesn't mean bias will come into play in deciding. I was a judge for WC10 and I really did make an active attempt to rid myself of bias and judged as fairly as possible; that and I discussed with others to hear various other opinions in case I missed things that I did not see it during my first analysis of vids. To say judges will end up choosing based on bias (that they may not think about consciously) between close battles, or as a factor in your reasonings for so many battles, I think is undermining all the work that judges do to make this as fair as possible. Nobody knows who will win for sure until the results come out of course... but people can make both pre-vid predictions and pre-result predictions. I don't see what's so wrong with making pre-video predictions...
Of course bias affects "something or another", you can't really deny that it affects judges in some way when they make their decisions. I just tried to point out how I thought it affected the rounds where it might matter. - I don't understand you're point here. I'm just saying that judges might like to see Supawit win more than Vic, but Vic will probably edge this one, and it'll be close. You even said if Vic tries he would win. - Here I'm saying that I think BaiMai will put out a better combo. As far as this technically being close or not, I don't know. Seeing as how HAL breezed passed Baaron (13-3) then yea, I don't know. So even if BaiMai puts out an arguably better combo, the judging might still be split, resulting in something like Mesi vs Rhetoric. - I don't really know what you mean by a "battle" video. I don't know how kin fulfills the rubric better than Mesi, so I don't really have an opinion on this point. Maybe if you clarify? My point is just that if they both have good combos, then it'd be hard to pick an obvious winner. Just seems like people would lean toward kin. But yea, maybe I should pick a word other than "bias"... judging pen spinning videos is so subjective that my point is that personal preference will affect your decision in some way every time. -
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 07:28:39
Stare wrote: i just say the proof is in the pudding no point arguing over this stuff til vids come out :) my prediction.. [B]eriror takes champion title[/B].. but i wont get into details because the more u go into details the more likely to be wrong the prediction is..
Just don't put much pressure on EK or ViC, let them focus on their following matchs o.O Such prediction would make one person overconfident or too nervous to compete ;) if you know what I mean. -
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 07:34:27
darkdazh wrote: Of course bias affects "something or another", you can't really deny that it affects judges in some way when they make their decisions. I just tried to point out how I thought it affected the rounds where it might matter. - I don't understand you're point here. I'm just saying that judges might like to see Supawit win more than Vic, but Vic will probably edge this one, and it'll be close. You even said if Vic tries he would win. - Here I'm saying that I think BaiMai will put out a better combo. As far as this technically being close or not, I don't know. Seeing as how HAL breezed passed Baaron (13-3) then yea, I don't know. So even if BaiMai puts out an arguably better combo, the judging might still be split, resulting in something like Mesi vs Rhetoric. - I don't really know what you mean by a "battle" video. I don't know how kin fulfills the rubric better than Mesi, so I don't really have an opinion on this point. Maybe if you clarify? My point is just that if they both have good combos, then it'd be hard to pick an obvious winner. Just seems like people would lean toward kin. But yea, maybe I should pick a word other than "bias"... judging pen spinning videos is so subjective that my point is that personal preference will affect your decision in some way every time.
My point is that judges do not think that they "might like to see Supawit win more than Vic" or for any other battle. Just because a judge would rather see supawit win or would rather see kin win.. bias is not the determining factor in the case that both sides make an equally good combo. It comes to a pretty close call, but judges would discuss it over with other judges (which is why judging committees must be a minimum of 2 people) and try to pick out very small details that they would weigh between the two combos. -
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 07:42:56
JC wrote: My point is that judges do not think that they "might like to see Supawit win more than Vic" or for any other battle. Just because a judge would rather see supawit win or would rather see kin win.. bias is not the determining factor in the case that both sides make an equally good combo. It comes to a pretty close call, but judges would discuss it over with other judges (which is why judging committees must be a minimum of 2 people) and try to pick out very small details that they would weigh between the two combos.
Idk, just my opinion that it's inescapable. If it comes down to pointing out little details, it could go on forever in either way. Idk... =P -
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 07:50:22
darkdazh wrote: Idk, just my opinion that it's inescapable. If it comes down to pointing out little details, it could go on forever in either way. Idk... =P
Mhm, I understand..but it's unfair to say that the battles will come down to the judges' bias when you're basing those reasonings off of your own biases because I don't feel the judges have that much bias anyway. People may disagree about some battles that they thought the judges judged poorly, and although sometimes it may be the judge's fault, many times it's just public bias. And I just don't think you should be saying just because you have bias, the judges will use bias to decide close battles. -
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 08:03:30
not all battle are bias, especially to the THPSC penspinners. if you've realized how peem got to be the champion of wt2010, you'll know that's entirely no biasness in it. talking to vic and supawit, they have a very clear difference in them, vic is good in technical, but what comes from supawit is perfect orientations, I believe there's no biasness yet till now. While vic may be good in technical, he isn't that smooth like supawit. Over here I choose smoothness over anything>.> because it is the most major things you would see in the video
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 08:14:25
JC wrote: Mhm, I understand..but it's unfair to say that the battles will come down to the judges' bias when you're basing those reasonings off of your own biases because I don't feel the judges have that much bias anyway. People may disagree about some battles that they thought the judges judged poorly, and although sometimes it may be the judge's fault, many times it's just public bias. And I just don't think you should be saying just because you have bias, the judges will use bias to decide close battles.
So if battles can be objectively decided even down to the closest battles, are you saying bias never occurs? Is bias even the correct term? Let's use personal preference. Do judges never go off of what they like more? -
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 08:21:38
pensp wrote: not all battle are bias, especially to the THPSC penspinners. if you've realized how peem got to be the champion of wt2010, you'll know that's entirely no biasness in it. talking to vic and supawit, they have a very clear difference in them, vic is good in technical, but what comes from supawit is perfect orientations, I believe there's no biasness yet till now. While vic may be good in technical, he isn't that smooth like supawit. Over here I choose smoothness over anything>.> because it is the most major things you would see in the video
Peem didn't win WT10, he won it in 09. Supawit has perfect ORIENTATIONS? What does that mean? I don't think smoothness is everything. Smoothness goes along with style. You can choose to have a smooth style or not. Choosing not to be smooth doesn't mean the combo automatically looks bad. Smoothness also depends on the tricks and links used. Someone that is doing a combination of charge passes would certainly look smooth (some of the time). Someone with a lot of direction changes, jerky style (seven), or incorporating lots of tip sonics into their spinning like toro or nikoo might not look so smooth. None spinners tend to think smoothness and speed is what makes a good spinner. Basing smoothness over anything is a very armature/beginner point of view. -
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 08:24:33
darkdazh wrote: So if battles can be objectively decided even down to the closest battles, are you saying bias never occurs? Is bias even the correct term? Let's use personal preference. Do judges never go off of what they like more?
I'm saying bias unfortunately does occur with perhaps some judges, but generally it is not the case. With at least 90% of the judges I'd say it is not the case... at least 90% will never go off of what they like more. At least at the world class level, judges who would have that kind of tendency would not be chosen in the first place. -
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 08:46:57
whos peem?
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 11:58:25
TEK wrote: Peem didn't win WT10, he won it in 09. Supawit has perfect ORIENTATIONS? What does that mean? I don't think smoothness is everything. Smoothness goes along with style. You can choose to have a smooth style or not. Choosing not to be smooth doesn't mean the combo automatically looks bad. Smoothness also depends on the tricks and links used. Someone that is doing a combination of charge passes would certainly look smooth (some of the time). Someone with a lot of direction changes, jerky style (seven), or incorporating lots of tip sonics into their spinning like toro or nikoo might not look so smooth. None spinners tend to think smoothness and speed is what makes a good spinner. Basing smoothness over anything is a very armature/beginner point of view.
he have style, as what you can see from his vids, but everyone have different opinions, so I shall not argue further on their differences or whatsoever. but I can swear that most of the judges aren't bias, those spinners win not because of any thing, is their skills. like what JC said, judges that are bias wouldn't be chosen in the first place -
Date: Thu, Mar 10 2011 09:20:35
[video=youtube;yPXPxKZh1Hc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPXPxKZh1Hc&feature=feedu[/video]
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Date: Thu, Mar 10 2011 09:22:54
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Date: Thu, Mar 10 2011 09:43:55
my sig speaks for its self.
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Date: Thu, Mar 10 2011 09:44:30
i tot the time limit is 25s?but thats a really awesone 1p2h combo.good luck to vic and supawit
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Date: Thu, Mar 10 2011 10:16:41
Playlist again: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=6F880501A8874418 And i think Supawit overshot by .5 seconds.
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Date: Thu, Mar 10 2011 10:30:33
Hippo2626 wrote: Playlist again: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=6F880501A8874418 And i think Supawit overshot by .5 seconds.
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Date: Thu, Mar 10 2011 11:06:15
supawin
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Date: Thu, Mar 10 2011 11:33:15
just wondering, how can some ppl seem so sure of the outcome of supawit vs vic? Oo"
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Date: Thu, Mar 10 2011 11:52:58
I liked vicgotgame's combo more than supawit but I'm pretty sure he'll lose:facepalm:
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Date: Thu, Mar 10 2011 12:22:21
i believe in vics combo!! go vic!!!!
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Date: Thu, Mar 10 2011 23:27:01
@Vic "i really don't care if i lose.. :/" .............................................. go eriror..
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Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 00:53:45
darkdazh wrote: kin > Mesi - This is tough to call, but kin is probably barely better than Mesi just because he's spinning an MX, and he's pretty popular
You are sadly, sadly mistaken. I'm starting to love how supawit is the redheaded stepchild of every other spinner. -
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 23:23:24
Just out of curiousity, would Sister_R and HAL be given extension if they cant film by the due date because of the earthquake?
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Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 23:42:30
Hippo2626 wrote: Just out of curiousity, would Sister_R and HAL be given extension if they cant film by the due date because of the earthquake?
i heard it was massive but it seems like japans infrastructure took the brunt of the damage rather than the people directly. did anyone even die? when i heard about i thought the death toll would be huge.. but it was something like 20 injured anyway were they anywhere near it? -
Date: Fri, Mar 11 2011 23:59:00
Stare wrote: i heard it was massive but it seems like japans infrastructure took the brunt of the damage rather than the people directly. did anyone even die? when i heard about i thought the death toll would be huge.. [B]but it was something like 20 injured[/B] anyway were they anywhere near it?
Holy shit you're an idiot. -
Date: Sat, Mar 12 2011 00:07:07
Over 1000 people died in it. Countless of people are injured. Where did you even hear about 20 injured @Stare ? lol
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Date: Sat, Mar 12 2011 00:18:13
xSpin;73366]Holy shit you're an idiot.[/QUOTE] i love you too There are currently 3 users browsing this thread. (2 members and 1 guests) 1. Stare 2. Vic hi vic [QUOTE=A.Sate wrote: Over 1000 people died in it. Countless of people are injured. Where did you even hear about 20 injured @Stare ? lol
firefox RSS feed http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12709598 i swear to god it said 20 injured this morning about 12 hours ago.. well shit.. -
Date: Sat, Mar 12 2011 01:05:16
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/baaron123123/legit.png this is obviously fake. only twenty people, bro.
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Date: Sat, Mar 12 2011 01:20:49
stay on topic please
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Date: Sat, Mar 12 2011 11:41:21
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Date: Sat, Mar 12 2011 16:30:55
Videos here, as always, we're keeping this updated: http://spinalong.com/blog/?p=3964&lang=en Minzian's combo is so beautiful, but imo is not enough to beat x1213. He's doing it great during this tournament!
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Date: Thu, Mar 17 2011 04:18:45
woah isnt the dead line in 2 days o.O
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Date: Thu, Mar 17 2011 21:17:13
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Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 10:51:26
HAL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIW5g5ThN3s&feature=channel_video_title
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Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 11:27:49
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Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 14:34:10
[video=youtube;eAhFYnu7omc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAhFYnu7omc&feature=feedu[/video] Rex EDIT: [video=youtube;xafVf8Fn1OU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xafVf8Fn1OU&feature=feedu[/video] X1213 EDIT AGAIN: [video=youtube;T_ij-shsI6s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_ij-shsI6s&feature=feedu[/video] Sponge
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Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 19:36:51
[video=youtube;7UCrel9bHxM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UCrel9bHxM[/video] Kin
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Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 19:54:26
kin is crazyyyyyyyy
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Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 20:26:01
KKKKKIIIIIN! WTF!!! Whjat was thst thing he did...a trianglepass-spiderspin hybrid? 0.0
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Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 20:43:49
WTFFFF this was the one of best combos I ve ever seen.
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Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 20:48:57
holy crap. That was one amazing combo.
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Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 21:56:20
WOAH. x1213 again. So smechxy. Kin was crazy. Sponge was spinning a super thick pen?
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Date: Fri, Mar 18 2011 23:02:48
Noo. I was spinning my personal mod, body is Superpirat...Superpirat isnt thick, is it? =D Everyone is so sick, waiting for the rest =D
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Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 00:20:41
snow [video=youtube;MqtV6zkXgdU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqtV6zkXgdU[/video] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqtV6zkXgdU
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Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 00:33:37
I really liked kin, snow and x1213... Watch kin win WT, the era of MXs take over busters xD I love Mesi but I honestly think Kin is gonna win Snow was awesome too; 2p1h; lolz
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Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 00:48:44
Sponge wrote: Noo. I was spinning my personal mod, body is Superpirat...Superpirat isnt thick, is it? =D Everyone is so sick, waiting for the rest =D
Nah. I guess it was just the camera. You did great!. Snow kills at 2p1h, 2p2h, 1p2h, and 1p1h. wtf. -
Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 06:05:32
Where is eriror and s777!!!!!:whut:
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Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 20:32:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSIUY0dkUN4&feature=player_embedded BaiMai uiuiuiui
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Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 21:38:06
Nashi wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSIUY0dkUN4&feature=player_embedded BaiMai uiuiuiui
just when HAL upped his game with slightly harder mini-combos and hard finisher, baimai goes even further with seemingly little effort...insane spinless O__O' side note: a hai tua > fl ta ~ palmspin ~ fl ta etc is far harder than palm spin ~ hai tua, so baimai finisher is probably more difficult than HAL's -
Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 21:51:02
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Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 21:55:00
WHERE IS ERIROR/S777?????? T.T
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Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 21:57:19
drgripable wrote: WHERE IS ERIROR/S777?????? T.T
the most epic vids come last, it is a law of the universe...build the suspense. also where is A13X's vid? lol, they still have quite a few hours to upload them though edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re1ZKPxA-4M A13X -
Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 22:02:20
0.0
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Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 22:03:21
bye bye HAL and Mesi.
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Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 22:09:18
hoiboy wrote: bye bye HAL and Mesi.
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Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 22:19:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE4dyd_kE0Y AHHH! It HERE!! EDIT: s777
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Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 22:21:56
drgripable wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE4dyd_kE0Y AHHH! It HERE!! EDIT: s777
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Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 22:43:50
:vcool: <- winner wt11
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Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 22:45:55
s777: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPgcESahFXg Its not the video of drgripable, sorry @drgripable
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Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 22:53:16
Saurkk wrote: s777: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPgcESahFXg Its not the video of drgripable, sorry @drgripable
DAYM! what was at trick at the end? holy.....that was really good, but Eriror has got this shit :vcool: -
Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 22:58:10
TheAafg wrote: DAYM! what was at trick at the end? holy.....that was really good, but Eriror has got this shit :vcool:
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Date: Sat, Mar 19 2011 23:53:43
Doesn't s777 get an auto-dq for a 27-28 second combo?
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 00:01:39
hoiboy wrote: Doesn't s777 get an auto-dq for a 27-28 second combo?
really? i didn't know that was one of the rules...
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 00:34:39
if it was, GO EK!!! XP
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 00:52:35
Stare wrote: really? i didn't know that was one of the rules...
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 00:53:29
^ SALT
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 00:58:25
well fine, s777 will jsut take out a couple of his busts then. yeah pretty straight forward.
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 02:00:54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNAOvN34yeI Read the description, life caught up on me. Very sorry, UPSB.
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 02:03:41
Erirornal Kraione wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNAOvN34yeI Read the description, life caught up on me. Very sorry, UPSB.
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 02:03:51
I want Eriror to win :( "[1 Minute Ago 07:02 PM] Erirornal Kraione : If I win, I'll win the tournament"
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 02:13:38
I think it is pretty close, Eriror might barely wins this :/
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 02:14:57
Nonono. His difficulty is higher, he has better execution since I had a mistake after the palmspin, he has more creative linkages, and the presentation is equal. Go judge some closer battles, please.
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 02:17:55
Erirornal Kraione 13 Minutes Ago 07:02 PM You do it Fullmetale, I can't really think clearly at the moment. Thanks. Escorpio123 13 Minutes Ago 07:02 PM lol drgripable so negative :facepalm: Erirornal Kraione 13 Minutes Ago 07:02 PM If I win, I'll win the tournament ieatyoma 14 Minutes Ago 07:01 PM how do you make a kirer comssa Fullmetale 14 Minutes Ago 07:01 PM Eriror, you post in FPSB or you want i do it ? Mike 14 Minutes Ago 07:01 PM Marc, what if you win? drgripable 14 Minutes Ago 07:01 PM oh EK , i guess better luck nexy year? Erirornal Kraione 15 Minutes Ago 07:00 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNAOvN34yeI
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 02:21:51
s777 went over time and if he uses any of his older videos, Eriror might have a chance :D Go Eriror !
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 02:37:33
TheAafg wrote: s777 went over time and if he uses any of his older videos, Eriror might have a chance :D Go Eriror !
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 02:56:33
still nice combo from eriror, well-fought. close battle imo.. but yeah, s777 went over time.
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 05:11:30
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=6F880501A8874418 completed and arranged the playlist Supawit and S777 overshot? UPSB has got this.
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 06:22:09
@Hippo2626 s777's video is wrong. You have the trial version up. This is his actual submission http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPgcESahFXg&feature=channel_video_title sorry if I sounded rude :/
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 06:24:21
Oh thanks man updated the playlist already
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 07:58:57
Great battles... Good luck to all, especially to Eriror and Vic
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 12:06:35
Supawit127, World Tournament Round 3 - http://www.mediafire.com/?2wgx6ap2ct14l7u Just to point out about the time limit that it wasn't 27 seconds like shown in YouTube. Still half a second over-time, but I hope it's forgivable.
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 12:20:22
yes .. It's 25s and A HALF ... Dunno if it affects the result >.>
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 12:29:22
guys, please don't make this stuhl WT09 again... i think final conclusion was that time limit is 25.99 seconds? idk, idc. just let it go and enjoy the tournament, it's not like it's over a whole second (1.00s) over
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 12:52:41
Then the same should have been applied to Stuhl in WT09 Round 2, if you're going to disqualify Supawit127. I remember that Areso disapproved of the video and eventually turned out that Stuhl's video was legal because it was only half a second. And so far, Vic has made no bad feedback about that. If you're going to blame someone about time limit then s777 is even a better choice. >_>
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 14:24:41
official site updated dl pack http://www.worldpenspinning.com/wt11/r3/R3.zip
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 16:48:36
Zombo wrote: official site updated dl pack http://www.worldpenspinning.com/wt11/r3/R3.zip
just watched em all good lord these guys are turning into monsters... in a few years i honestly wont be surprised if we see 1pen 2hand 2feet combos -
Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 16:58:04
according to the official rules set by Crash in WT09, the time limit is 25 seconds, with the threshold being[B] 25.99 seconds.[/B] In this round, only s777's video exceed this threadshold. It will be cut and resubmitted. So you can just "ignore" the first second of the combo ;) TBH I don't think it will affect the combo that much lol edit: new link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hao6CSKkSEo&feature=channel_video_title
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Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 23:38:46
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Light wrote: s777 vs [B]Eriror[/B] - Hmm, I would like s777 to put forth something much better on the table this time around. Like in r2, i think he underestimated his opponent. Although ASin put up a good fight, s777 still made it though. But, unless he does something like what he did in FPSB's 4th, i think Eriror is gonna take this home. Eriror has been amazing this tournament, I would have to choose him for this matchup. [B]Supawit[/B] vs Vic -Well supawit has amazing 2h1p stuff. Vic has amazing linkages. I mean, I guess we will have to wait and see, but I believe Supawit is going to take this one. 2p1h allows a bit more creativity, who knows what he can pull off. Sister_R vs [B]Sponge[/B] - GPC fan boi yeee! But Sister_R is one of my all time fav spinners. Hmm this is also going to be up for grabs. But I will have to choose Sponge, very creative. [B]snow[/B] vs Rex - I loved snow in round 2. Pyralux + Minwoo style right there. Snow is a very great candidate for this round. Raeik vs [B]A13X[/B] - This match is crazy. Once again, in this tournament we have to see 2 FPSB spinners face off. I love both styles from the spinners, but A13X was a spinner I liked from the start. HAL vs [B]BaiMai[/B] - Baimai, mainly because HAL eliminated a fellow Canadian Spinner Baaron. Madd bias opinion. [B]x1213[/B] vs Minzian - Hmm x1213 was really great in rd 2. Id vote him this time around too. [B]kin[/B] vs Mesi - This is another intense matchup. I always loved kin's style (mx godddd) and Mesi is just epic. But id have to choose kin, i have to see what he will pull off this time around. :D
[/SIZE] Anyways those were my predictions, these are what I think now, since the vids are out 1. I wanted Eriror to win, and I still do :D However, I think [B]s777[/B]'s combo was stronger. I would have to pick him. But I HOPE ERIROR MAKES IT THROUGHHH. 2. [B]Supawit[/B] FTW, too pro! Pullin of peem shit right there. 3. [B]Sponge[/B], yep GPC fan^^ 4. [B]Snow[/B] Pyralux + Minwoo, epic stuff. hehehe first 4 spinners start with "s" 5. ALL TIME FAVOURITE, SPINNERRRR [B]A13x[/B], yep I hope he takes this one home. 6. [B]BaiMai[/B]'s combo was soo legit :O 7. [B]x1213[/B] 8. [B]Master of Mx himself, kin[/B] -
Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 23:55:29
eriror vs [B]s777[/B]: i like eriror's combo more, better than his r1 and r2, truly impressive considering he had a massive headache while filming, many insane linkages. s777, hmm...busts don't impress me at all xD typical s777 stuff i guess, finisher was interesting. i want eriror to win, especially considering that wasn't his best, but i think s777 will win this match :( vicgotgame vs [B]supawit[/B]: vic's links insane as usual, hardly any spam in that combo at all, and crazy style...sad that he's lost motivation, or he'd have won this round. supawit's 1p2h is very impressive, but overshadowed by fellow THPSC member baimai, of course. finisher was nice, i must learn it xD i want vic to win (creativity+overall difficulty is insane), but i think supawit will win, and i guess that's more suitable if vic won't put his all if he gets into r4 =\ hard decision [B]sponge [/B]vs sister_r: sponge's palm up midbak 1.5 xD nice counters and links are quite unique? very cool combo, but ending was kinda a letdown, too typical and not up to difficulty/aesthetics of rest of combo. sister_r's r3 combo is better than his r1 and r2, showed a bit different combo structure...i think sponge will win, hope no JEB fanboyism this time [B]snow [/B]vs rex: snow is minwoo+pyralux, master of 1p2h, 2p1h, 2p2h etc :D very artistic and incredible planning to make this combo flow as well as it did, rex's overall difficulty is higher, but his left hand did nothing new, some good links there and i love rex, but i think snow wins this one [B]A13x [/B]vs raeik: raeik's bg/pen choice not very good, his desk is better appearance IMO, this combo not as good as his r1. A13x is insane with firefly G3-like mod, difficulty is incredible, although there is a stumble after the palm up fl pinkyaround thing, nice style too. A13X win [B]baimai [/B]vs HAL: baimai has spinless way, way above the rest of the world, integration is perfect...balancing spinless and power, 2 seemingly opposing themes, is insane :) HAL's links slightly better, but he didn't bring any new stuff to the table, especially vs baimai's creativity; it won't do. baimai wins (baimai for WT11 champion? xD he's no.1 of THPSC now, unless peem decides to release new material randomly) [B]x1213 [/B]vs minzian: x1213 wins, minzian did very well for a WT 1st-time participant though, x1213 has greater appeal and nice punkan linkages, minzian's combo seems to be re-mix/variation of previous rounds, but still great [B]kin [/B]vs mesi: kin is mx god, hardly anyone can do that combo with any mod =__=" cool triangle pass variation thing, hai tua with mx after all that insanity is just wtf. nice wipers too, whole combo is superb. mesi should've made some japen 6th level combo if he wanted to win, what he put out was nice, but not enough imo. kin wins
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Date: Mon, Mar 21 2011 00:04:14
[B]s777[/B] vs Eriror: I'm pretty sure s777 takes this one... he had more difficulty, more creative linkages, and Eriror had a slight stall after that palm spin. Though a very good effort given his circumstances. [B]Supawit[/B] vs Vic: I'm feeling a Supawit win. Not gonna try to justify it... Vic had superior linkages, but Supawit's combo feels like the winner when I watch both of them. Gut feeling has been a pretty good indicator of the winner so far. [B]Sister_R[/B] vs Sponge: Both spinners submitted monstrous combos and it's very close. I felt Sponge had the more obvious difficulty while Sister had the more subtle one. Ultimately, it's Sister's more enjoyable style that's making me feel a JEB victory here. I felt that Sponge had a very "show-casey" combo, but it needs more... coherence? snow vs [B]Rex[/B]: Great combos from both again. I felt snow's combo this round was missing something... it felt flashy but underwhelming. Something about it made it seem incomplete compared to his previous combos. Rex had the more complete package overall, but I feel Rex needs to step it up a bit for the next round. [B]Raeik[/B] vs A13X: A13X's combo was slightly superior technically, but Raeik showed some power of his own, but done in a more pleasing style with more creative linkages. [B]HAL[/B] vs BaiMai: My most unsure prediction. BaiMai's combo is unquestionably harder, but HAL's combo had that appeal factor that is missing in BaiMai's combo and it's not overly lacking in technical aspects either. HAL did a better job of pleasing the audience, which is the ultimate goal of pen spinning, so yeah, this is my prediction. Appeal is playing a bigger role in judging this time around, so I can trust my instincts better. [B]x1213[/B] vs Minzian: Imo, Minzian had the weakest combo this round, even though it was by no means bad. It just felt that something was missing in the combo. x1213 basically repeated what he did in the previous rounds but in greater magnitude. He needs to come up with new things for the next round or he will lose for sure. [B]kin[/B] vs Mesi: Loved Mesi's arounds, felt more complete than his previous rounds though it still felt a little short. kin had the most impressive combo this round and deserves the win though. Seems like finals will be between s777, Supawit, or kin.
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Date: Mon, Mar 21 2011 01:43:13
It's funny and sad that when Supawit went the powertricking route, he was alway's No. 2 compared to Peem. Now he's trying the 2 hands creativity route but he's No. 2 compared to BaiMai.
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Date: Mon, Mar 21 2011 03:32:00
Hippo2626 wrote: It's funny and sad that when Supawit went the powertricking route, he was alway's No. 2 compared to Peem. Now he's trying the 2 hands creativity route but he's No. 2 compared to BaiMai.
But at the same time, Supawit is superior than Peem because of his ability to 2p2h and than BaiMai because of his Powertricks. But not that both of them are participating at the same time, indeed. Or else, Supawit = 'balanced' version of BaiMai and Spinnerpeem, and with his own style plus in. Supawit is currently the best Power-tricker in the tournament right now, or at least, deemed to be. -
Date: Mon, Mar 21 2011 03:37:11
[B]s777[/B] vs Eriror: Ahh, a very anticipated match! I must say Eriror, I loved your combo A LOT and if that is what you can do while under tricky circumstances then wow... you could be WT winner! S777, please dont do bust variations. Too many spinner are better then you in that sense so there is no point even trying. Stick to what you are good at, linkages. Fricken amazing combos from both spinner. This could literally fall either way but I have a gut feeling it will go to S777. I believe Eriror deserves the win though. Better smoothness and pace while still keeping amazing and difficult linkages! [B]Supawit[/B] vs Vic: I honest to god think that Vic is a better spinner. Nicer linkages and style. Unfortunately, I think the judges will have a slight bias towards supawit but idk. I loved the opening 8 seconds of Vics combo. Masterful spinning right there. I also enjoyed the aerial to that palmspin thing. It looked sick! Some parts in between looked a bit sketchy though. Perfectly executed finish! Funny enough, I also loved supawit's opening 8secs before the hand change. I loooooved the counter at the beginning! It looked so awesome :D The rest of the combo until the finisher was very 'meh' worthy though. Not inpressive, just random arm rolling and shit. Very nice finish though. I want Vic to win but I think Supawit will win. [B]Sister_R[/B] vs Sponge: This is by far the best combo I have seen from sister_R. Very nice linkages, awesome flow, great style, one of my favorite combos! Sponge's combo was also beastly! Aww man I loved both combos so much haha. All of Sponge's counters were great and those palm up midbak 1.5s .____. nice. Really really great combos from both but I give the win to sister_R. I hope he can keep up that great spinning though. snow vs [B]Rex[/B]: I am really not sure about tis battle. I love Snow's combo as it was so pretty yet Rex had much more technical spinning. I also think Snow got shown up a lot by Baimai this round which was kinda sad. Giving the win to Rex. [B]Raeik[/B] vs A13X: Disappointing battle. I expected more from both spinners :L A13-X wasnt great but Raeik was alright I guess. Gonna give the win to Raeik for waaay better links and clean spinning. HAL vs[B] BaiMai[/B]: Baimai wins. No doubt about it. Amazing spinning with awesome and creative 1p2h. Hal did a better than average combo for himself but I feel without a doubt it wasn't enough. [B]x1213[/B] vs Minzian: x1213. sorry Minzian but all the other spinners are far above you level at this pointy. [B]kin[/B] vs Mesi: OMGGGG I love these two spinners!!! Aww man. MEsi bought out another fucking crazy combo. The style was perfect and there was so much underlying difficulty. Kin is just crazy .___. The whole combo was beautiful and it was all with an MX!!! Boom difficulty goes up by tenfold. I'm gonna give the win to Kin for better performance, innovation and difficulty. Go win WT now :D
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Date: Mon, Mar 21 2011 10:52:27
I'd say I'm indeed suprised by 2 pen spinner , s777 and Baimai. I never liked pen spinning by creative because I always thought power tricks> all. I'd guess I must be wrong all this while and this round 3 has woke me up from that thinking. Especially Baimai, the pen just looks like it is going to fall anything and he would just catch it. Very potentially skilled. If Vic pulls his best this round, he might win.. but still the difficulty of supawit is difficult to compete in the wt.. 3 spinners. s777, Baimai and supwait127, rooting for you till the end:D
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Date: Mon, Mar 21 2011 10:58:11
semi-finalists: s777, baimai, supawit and kin. unless any of those 2 face each other in r4, or something weird happens.
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Date: Mon, Mar 21 2011 22:36:30
I'm pretty sure that cutting your video to meet a time limit is editing it.
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Date: Mon, Mar 21 2011 22:41:31
sangara wrote: I'm pretty sure that cutting your video to meet a time limit is editing it.
it is allowed to cut or crop/zoom your video but you cannot slow/speed up or insert visual effects or splice -
Date: Tue, Mar 22 2011 07:41:32
great round. I would give my predictions but both casual and Twine gave great predictions despite their differences. I just wanted to talk about vic's and supawits battle on a more personal level. Of course both of of them gave excellent combos. I've watch both of their videos many many times. The more i watch them, the more i start to think supawits combo will win. Not that i think vic's combo is lacking anywhere. Vic said that he didn't go all out for the combo which i think is scary. The combo is incredible to begin with. When he does the arial trick at the end and catches the pen, the camera shook. I loved that part. It gave so much power and aggressiveness to the whole combo and video itself which i've never seen in any other combo before. I really hate to see one of them go because i would love to see more combos from both of them. Maybe i lean more towards supawits combo because we all know that vic has lost interest in pen spinning. He said in his comment "i dont care if i lose". I think if vic does win, he would be forced to continue which he does not want to do. Supawit on the other hand is on a mission to win. it would be a pitty if supawit was knocked out only for vic to get knocked out later on for not trying hard enough. im only saying this is cuz both combos are so close, its very difficult to choose a winner. Dont get me wrong, im not saying this factor should be taken into account during judging, im saying what a complicated situation we have here...And last, just to mention...if vic does lose, this might be the last time we see a high level combo from him. :/
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Date: Wed, Mar 23 2011 07:59:31
I want baimai, s777, A13x and of course, VIC!! I'm rooting for vic lol.just remember my name when he wins and all of you people are wrong(Although im afraid for him) LOLOL obssesion sounds gay -_-
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Date: Wed, Mar 23 2011 13:18:50
arghhhhhh,vic,come back to the penspinning worlf again pls!!!!!!! and,i really hope eriror can win the match,the bust part of s777's combo are meaningless.
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Date: Wed, Mar 23 2011 13:34:47
the bust part of s777 wasnt meaningless. it was a way to incorperate a continuous trick in his combo in a similar way that ek used mid baks.
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Date: Wed, Mar 23 2011 13:53:36
@Fire Ant tru dat
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Date: Wed, Mar 23 2011 18:20:16
is still meaningless for me since ther are so many spinners can do that,or even better than him,but,eriror's baks are awesome,if u take ur time to breakdown the baks part
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Date: Fri, Mar 25 2011 14:54:20
perhaps its meaningless in terms of creativity, but it adds to difficulty. also these are mid bak revs, not busts or fl tas. indeed im not a fan of cont tricks, but it still adds tot he combo.
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Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 00:48:30
Are spinners allowed to zoom in and out of their videos and add effects to it?
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Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 00:59:54
I had the make this. [video=youtube;oNFQD6pvW-k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNFQD6pvW-k[/video]
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Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 01:46:31
Hippo2626 wrote: Are spinners allowed to zoom in and out of their videos and add effects to it?
cut, zoom and effect like better contrast or brightness ofc are allowed but effects like flashs, light effects (particles or aftereffects), moving camera (zooming during combo for example) ans speed up/down shouldn't be allowed about music... i think (and i'd like) it can be allowed : in an artistic show music is really important. but this may also have an influence, right but, i think music-fit is part of penspinning too imo of course. as theres now a lot of good and maybe pro editors, i think some editing rules should be written with precision there's also titles, etc.. edit: nice vid drgripable -
Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 15:07:25
I'm still missing 2 judges. the results are really tight, I need to wait for everybody... I hope to get everything by end of the day.
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Date: Sat, Mar 26 2011 15:18:16
I really hope Eriror wins this, his combo was still incredibly difficult. =/ He wasn't 2p2h for a reason, and I somewhat have a big hope that he will win because his 2p2h wasn't used. o_O