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Spammer's Bin / mind over pen, the new age of penspinning
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 01:52:29
has anyone else managed to keep the pen spinning with your mind? i managed a shadow continuous 54x with basic levels of telekinesis training. I was curious if anyone else has experience in this kind of spinning. might be possible to do impressive aerials like this if your mind is quick enough. It's actually much easier to apply telekinesis in pen spinning than in other objects, because of a very personal and deep understanding of the physical properties, momentum, and velocity of the pen you spin, your mind is able to handle it easier than an object you have less physical understanding of. Same reason most telekinesis practitioners frequently use coins such as quarters and pennies to demonstrate their abilities. doubt disrupts telekinesis, and lack of comprehension can completely inhibit the mind from applying force to an object. if you've never touched it before, held it, your mind will have no idea how to apply force to it. of course advanced telekinesis users can work around this through discipline, im going to assume noone here has attained such a mastery of the art.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 01:56:01
lolwut? what do you mean. fantasizing abt penspinning?
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 01:56:36
Hex wrote: lolwut? what do you mean. fantasizing abt penspinning?
telekinesis assisted pen spinning. Takes a lot of practice but it really adds to the performance. -
Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:00:41
so you mean thinking abt the move before you do it? i still dont understand :s
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:01:19
Hex wrote: so you mean thinking abt the move before you do it? i still dont understand :s
you have to first have a basic ability to manipulate objects with your mind as well as a pen with your hand. Google Telekinesis, it will make more sense. -
Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:09:38
I've actually practiced Psychokinesis, on the micro scale. That's mind affecting chances and all that stuff. Macro Psychokinesis, on the other hand, is really hard for me. http://www.psionicsonline.net/forums/index.php This site really helped a lot. (I'm seriously not trolling here.)
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:10:23
ok fair enough. Lets say i am practicing telekinesis. I am the object. I enjoy the possession of the object. How do i know if the am doing it correctly? Obv the pen will not move on the first try. I am interested now. I honestly want to learn. Almost as interesting as lucid dreaming.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:13:08
Uh, when you start, you don't automatically start moving stuff. Just like with lucid dreaming. First, you'd have to learn to control energy, psi/ki or whatever you call it. I'd start with a basic psi-ball. http://www.psipog.net/art-psiballs-epic-tale.html
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:14:17
What a joke.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:15:17
iColor wrote: Uh, when you start, you don't automatically start moving stuff. Just like with lucid dreaming. First, you'd have to learn to control energy, psi/ki or whatever you call it. I'd start with a basic psi-ball. http://www.psipog.net/art-psiballs-epic-tale.html
lol you know nothing about this, obviously... whatever, thread already ruined THX TO SHOEMAN one day upsb will be ready to enter the next phase.. -
Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:15:37
Wow, this might be a revolutionary change in penspinning. If you can manipulate something with your mind, such as a pen, fluidly, who says that you can't do it with something larger, say, a water bottle? Was this Kam's secrets? So many questions..
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:16:32
Lol? I've done this for about 4 years, with little practice but I've finally touched upon the basics of telepathy. Oh, I forgot that the Serious Discussion sub-forum is over there.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:17:33
hmmm... i am hooked now.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:19:02
[B]The Dragon In My Garage [/B] by Carl Sagan "A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage" Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity! "Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle -- but no dragon. "Where's the dragon?" you ask. "Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon." You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints. "Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floats in the air." Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire. "Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless." You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible. "Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick." And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work. Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so. The only thing you've really learned from my insistence that there's a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You'd wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then, why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I've seriously underestimated human fallibility. Imagine that, despite none of the tests being successful, you wish to be scrupulously open-minded. So you don't outright reject the notion that there's a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. You merely put it on hold. Present evidence is strongly against it, but if a new body of data emerge you're prepared to examine it and see if it convinces you. Surely it's unfair of me to be offended at not being believed; or to criticize you for being stodgy and unimaginative -- merely because you rendered the Scottish verdict of "not proved." Imagine that things had gone otherwise. The dragon is invisible, all right, but footprints are being made in the flour as you watch. Your infrared detector reads off-scale. The spray paint reveals a jagged crest bobbing in the air before you. No matter how skeptical you might have been about the existence of dragons -- to say nothing about invisible ones -- you must now acknowledge that there's something here, and that in a preliminary way it's consistent with an invisible, fire-breathing dragon. Now another scenario: Suppose it's not just me. Suppose that several people of your acquaintance, including people who you're pretty sure don't know each other, all tell you that they have dragons in their garages -- but in every case the evidence is maddeningly elusive. All of us admit we're disturbed at being gripped by so odd a conviction so ill-supported by the physical evidence. None of us is a lunatic. We speculate about what it would mean if invisible dragons were really hiding out in garages all over the world, with us humans just catching on. I'd rather it not be true, I tell you. But maybe all those ancient European and Chinese myths about dragons weren't myths at all. Gratifyingly, some dragon-size footprints in the flour are now reported. But they're never made when a skeptic is looking. An alternative explanation presents itself. On close examination it seems clear that the footprints could have been faked. Another dragon enthusiast shows up with a burnt finger and attributes it to a rare physical manifestation of the dragon's fiery breath. But again, other possibilities exist. We understand that there are other ways to burn fingers besides the breath of invisible dragons. Such "evidence" -- no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it -- is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future physical data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:24:44
shoeman6 wrote: [B]The Dragon In My Garage
tl;dr Anyways is this really possible ? :OSpoiler
[/B] by Carl Sagan "A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage" Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity! "Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle -- but no dragon. "Where's the dragon?" you ask. "Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon." You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints. "Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floats in the air." Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire. "Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless." You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible. "Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick." And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work. Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so. The only thing you've really learned from my insistence that there's a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You'd wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then, why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I've seriously underestimated human fallibility. Imagine that, despite none of the tests being successful, you wish to be scrupulously open-minded. So you don't outright reject the notion that there's a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. You merely put it on hold. Present evidence is strongly against it, but if a new body of data emerge you're prepared to examine it and see if it convinces you. Surely it's unfair of me to be offended at not being believed; or to criticize you for being stodgy and unimaginative -- merely because you rendered the Scottish verdict of "not proved." Imagine that things had gone otherwise. The dragon is invisible, all right, but footprints are being made in the flour as you watch. Your infrared detector reads off-scale. The spray paint reveals a jagged crest bobbing in the air before you. No matter how skeptical you might have been about the existence of dragons -- to say nothing about invisible ones -- you must now acknowledge that there's something here, and that in a preliminary way it's consistent with an invisible, fire-breathing dragon. Now another scenario: Suppose it's not just me. Suppose that several people of your acquaintance, including people who you're pretty sure don't know each other, all tell you that they have dragons in their garages -- but in every case the evidence is maddeningly elusive. All of us admit we're disturbed at being gripped by so odd a conviction so ill-supported by the physical evidence. None of us is a lunatic. We speculate about what it would mean if invisible dragons were really hiding out in garages all over the world, with us humans just catching on. I'd rather it not be true, I tell you. But maybe all those ancient European and Chinese myths about dragons weren't myths at all. Gratifyingly, some dragon-size footprints in the flour are now reported. But they're never made when a skeptic is looking. An alternative explanation presents itself. On close examination it seems clear that the footprints could have been faked. Another dragon enthusiast shows up with a burnt finger and attributes it to a rare physical manifestation of the dragon's fiery breath. But again, other possibilities exist. We understand that there are other ways to burn fingers besides the breath of invisible dragons. Such "evidence" -- no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it -- is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future physical data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion. -
Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:25:27
If you're dedicated, yeah.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:28:45
Honestly, I don't believe in this kind of stuff, but that's just my view of it. You guys can believe what you like. I'm not saying that it's not even a possibility, i'm just saying my view point on psi/telekineses/etc.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:30:52
The only reason why is because when people don't believe and they try this with a false understanding of it. They don't get the results they expect.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:31:57
If one gives oneself a blowjob with telekinesis and the result is a really good orgasm, can one justly say that the experience, "blew their mind?" Because it seems to me that it's exactly the opposite. Your mind is the one doing the blowing. Just sayin~
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:34:10
@iColor - not necessarily. The reason why I dont believe in it is because I've noticed that there isn't any documented proof of psi's existence, only people claiming that it exists. I think shoeman6's example of "The Dragon In My Garage" relates to this topic very well. Again, I'm not saying that it isn't a possibility.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:40:06
Well, the only way I can prove it to you is to lose those beliefs and try it out for yourself.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:42:38
One doesn't lose beliefs, one is convinced of something and then acknowledges that change. That's the trouble with this stuff, it's just based on an intellectually dishonest premise. That's why people should adopt a "show up or shut up" attitude.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:42:45
You can't move shit with your mind.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:42:52
@iColor I suppose you've got a point there, although, I still stand by what I said.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:43:54
It seems so. Well, have a nice day.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:46:25
iColor wrote: It seems so. Well, have a nice day.
Why don't you post a video of you doing it? -
Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:46:55
this is rediculous that anyone would think that this is possible =_=
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:47:11
@iColor - thank you. You have a valid point, that much is true. I just feel that if anyone could do this they would have documented it by now.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:49:58
AwonW wrote: Why don't you post a video of you doing it?
It would still be pointless. A person with a skeptical mind would find all the reasons wrong with the video. -
Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:51:03
iColor wrote: It would still be pointless. A person with a skeptical mind would find all the reasons wrong with the video.
Such assumptions... -
Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:52:31
akitaka clearly does not understand how psi works. one does not simply move shit with one's mind.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:53:12
boshi wrote: akitaka clearly does not understand how psi works. one does not simply move shit with one's mind.
I guess I don't understand it either then. Want to explain it to me? -
Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:56:16
@AwonW, maybe it's manipulating the physical world using physical properties at hand in subtle ways. I guess I don't understand it at all. If I want to spin a pen I'll tell my hand to do it. If I want to get a piece of paper from the other side of the room i'll get up and get it. If I want to make a pendulum move up and down I'll think it and my subconcious muscle movements will do it.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:56:21
@boshi maybe I don't. first of all, I never recall saying that one just "moves shit with ones mind." Im just stating my views. If you dont feel that I understand then explain.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 02:57:11
wouldn't it be extremely hard to use it while pen spinning, since pen spinning is quite fast? or it doesn't matter?
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 03:01:27
It'd be extremley hard because it doesn't work.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 03:11:53
i am surprised to see a thread in spammers bin has been on topic for 4 pages :O
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 03:12:52
It's extremely hard because pens are quite heavy. Mainly, the bulk of other psi-users can only spin paper wheels or roll cans. Pen spinning has such high weight, friction and momentum that it's nearly impossible. It's still achievable though.
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 03:25:57
lets see this pro shadow stuff you'll be the next bonkura. are you the chosen one of prophecy? or are you bullshitting?
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 04:10:51
Guys remember, anything is possible at ZOMBOCOM
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 04:20:41
Frip wrote: Guys remember, anything is possible at ZOMBOCOM
LMAFO this. -
Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 04:55:26
inb4 the OP says "uve been troll'd"
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 07:26:08
theres no way to move an object without a force, providing a force requires a movement (unless there is an equal force working against it) for one to spin a paper pinwheel, they would need to apply a force to apply a force, they would need to involve some sort of movement the argument of the person causing any sort of gust of wind moving the pinwheel is invalid as wind is just high density air moving towards low density air (particles in the air MOVING), to cause the air moving, they'd need to remove particles from one place to cause a lower density or increasing the energy of those particles so they "take up more space" and cause lower density in that area... to transfer this energy requires some sort of contact, either via heat or again, force... to move something without touching it requires you changing other things in the area... which requires you to make contact with those things on the subject of affecting luck via... brainwaves?... psi......stuff? i have a pack of cards pick a card, if its an ace... you win no matter how much u wish ur little heart out (or whatever u want to call it) the card you choose is there, in that physical position, no matter how hard you try, thinking about it wont change it's position you may feel like your psi or whatever is like guiding your hand to the right card.... but there no way that's possible, the whole situation of using psi revolves around yourself and the cards are completely external, a process completely within yourself wont react to the outside world physics is fun tl;dr: ur silly
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 11:54:26
HOW DO MAGNETS WORK?
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 00:24:12
shoeman6 wrote: [B]The Dragon In My Garage [/B] by Carl Sagan "A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage" Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity! "Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle -- but no dragon. "Where's the dragon?" you ask. "Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon." You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints. "Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floats in the air." Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire. "Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless." You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible. "Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick." And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work. Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so. The only thing you've really learned from my insistence that there's a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You'd wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then, why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I've seriously underestimated human fallibility. Imagine that, despite none of the tests being successful, you wish to be scrupulously open-minded. So you don't outright reject the notion that there's a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. You merely put it on hold. Present evidence is strongly against it, but if a new body of data emerge you're prepared to examine it and see if it convinces you. Surely it's unfair of me to be offended at not being believed; or to criticize you for being stodgy and unimaginative -- merely because you rendered the Scottish verdict of "not proved." Imagine that things had gone otherwise. The dragon is invisible, all right, but footprints are being made in the flour as you watch. Your infrared detector reads off-scale. The spray paint reveals a jagged crest bobbing in the air before you. No matter how skeptical you might have been about the existence of dragons -- to say nothing about invisible ones -- you must now acknowledge that there's something here, and that in a preliminary way it's consistent with an invisible, fire-breathing dragon. Now another scenario: Suppose it's not just me. Suppose that several people of your acquaintance, including people who you're pretty sure don't know each other, all tell you that they have dragons in their garages -- but in every case the evidence is maddeningly elusive. All of us admit we're disturbed at being gripped by so odd a conviction so ill-supported by the physical evidence. None of us is a lunatic. We speculate about what it would mean if invisible dragons were really hiding out in garages all over the world, with us humans just catching on. I'd rather it not be true, I tell you. But maybe all those ancient European and Chinese myths about dragons weren't myths at all. Gratifyingly, some dragon-size footprints in the flour are now reported. But they're never made when a skeptic is looking. An alternative explanation presents itself. On close examination it seems clear that the footprints could have been faked. Another dragon enthusiast shows up with a burnt finger and attributes it to a rare physical manifestation of the dragon's fiery breath. But again, other possibilities exist. We understand that there are other ways to burn fingers besides the breath of invisible dragons. Such "evidence" -- no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it -- is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future physical data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion.
fact is stranger than fiction, and you cant compare this tl;dr dragon crap with real proven science -
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 07:10:35
I used to dabble in psionics way back when. It's fun, but i always lose motivation to practice
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 07:35:36
Its impossible to use telekinesis.