UPSB v4
General Discussion / WT11 - Round 2 - Videos OUT!
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Date: Sat, Feb 12 2011 23:34:59
Official link: http://www.worldpenspinning.com/?p=468 All Videos Pack: http://www.worldpenspinning.com/wt11/r2/R2.zip [B](RECOMMENDED!)[/B] TXT format: http://www.worldpenspinning.com/wt11/r2/r2matchups.txt Live Draw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5TmJpqkiNU & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeuU07Z2H_E A kin (HKPSA) vs ctionist (JEB) x1213 (TWPS) vs Freeman (SPSC) Raeik (FPSB) vs Fratleym (FPSB) HAL (JEB) vs Baaron (UPSB) Sister_R (JEB) vs Tose (KPSA) s777 (FPSB) vs ASIn (JEB) snow (PSH) vs ocha (JEB) Supawit127 (THPSC) vs Nz (THPSC) B ponkotu (JEB) vs Rex (TWPS) Vicgotgame (UPSB) vs Fire@Fox (JEB) BaiMai (THPSC) vs Wah (HKPSA) deathfish (PPSC) vs Minzian (TWPS) Tigeroat (THPSC) vs Sponge (GPC) Rhetoric (JEB) vs Mesi (JEB) Eriror (UPSB) vs Smile (FPSB) Lekunga (GPC) vs A13x (FPSB) Post your predictions, betting will be available in the gameroom!
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Date: Sat, Feb 12 2011 23:37:09
Good luck Barron the most, and all the other UPSB spinners!
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Date: Sat, Feb 12 2011 23:46:47
Predictions: Kin (HKPSA) Freeman raeik(FPSB ) HAL(JEB ) Sister_R (JEB ) s777(FPSB ) ocha(JEB ) Supawit127(THPSC ) Ponkotu (JEB ) Vic (UPSB ) Baimai (THPSC ) deathfish Tigeroat (THPSC ) Mesi (JEB ) Eriror (UPSB ) A13x (FPSB )
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Date: Sat, Feb 12 2011 23:59:19
Baaron vs. HAL? O.o
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 00:00:03
go,go x1213, baimai, supawit, rex, minzian, mesi, kin, hal, sisterr, ocha, fire@fox, asin, ... *.* lol i love almost half of the spinners there
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 00:17:41
HAL vs Baaron gonna be EPIC
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 00:23:41
vic vs fire@fox is going to be epic.
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 00:27:43
battles to watch: -Vicgotgame VS Fire@Fox -Hal VS Baaron
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 00:29:54
raeik vs fraleym should be pretty good too.
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 00:32:51
also rex vs ponkotu... live draw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5TmJpqkiNU & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeuU07Z2H_E
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 00:38:17
s777 and ASIn .. this... iss.... sparta. This be a tight match.
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 01:16:17
Tigeroat he come from THPSC not TWPS
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 01:19:15
fixd sorry
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 01:21:00
A [B]kin (HKPSA)[/B] vs ctionist (JEB) x1213 (TWPS) vs [B]Freeman (SPSC)[/B] Raeik (FPSB) vs [B]Fratleym (FPSB)[/B] [B]HAL (JEB)[/B] vs Baaron (UPSB) [B]Sister_R (JEB)[/B] vs Tose (KPSA) [B]s777 (FPSB)[/B] vs ASIn (JEB) snow (PSH) vs [B]ocha (JEB)[/B] [B]Supawit127 (THPSC)[/B] vs Nz (THPSC) B [B]ponkotu (JEB)[/B] vs Rex (TWPS) [B]Vicgotgame (UPSB)[/B] vs Fire@Fox (JEB) [B]BaiMai (THPSC)[/B] vs Wah (HKPSA) [B]deathfish (PPSC) [/B]vs Minzian (TWPS) [B]Tigeroat (THPSC)[/B] vs Sponge (GPC) Rhetoric (JEB) vs[B] Mesi (JEB)[/B] [B]Eriror (UPSB)[/B] vs Smile (FPSB) Lekunga (GPC) vs [B]A13x (FPSB)[/B] Just a guess >__> PrinceXD
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 01:26:47
wow good match ups cant wait to see this shit....
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 01:52:12
it seems that the seeding system is working. ;] for this round at least. none of the Spinners shot at #1 are versing thankfully. im sad at freeman vs x1213...some of my favourite spinners ... ;[
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 02:30:55
kin (HKPSA) x1213 (TWPS) Raeik (FPSB Baaron (UPSB Sister_R (JEB s777 (FPSB snow (PSH) Supawit127 (THPSC) B Rex (TWPS) Vicgotgame (UPSB BaiMai (THPSC) deathfish (PPSC) Sponge (GPC) Mesi (JEB Eriror (UPSB A13x (FPSB favs: a13x,eriror, baaron, vic, sponge, s777777777777777, raiek
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 02:39:37
s777's combo for round one with a dc comssa was epic, and like zombo commented on the combo: r2 combo: 3000*f r3 combo: RSVP r4 combo: #2 pencil r5 combo: bic r6 combo: a toothpick XD
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 03:03:46
Freemans going to be worthwhile watching ^^
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 03:22:36
Vicgotgame VS Fire@Fox Hal VS Baaron looking forward to those two. pretty difficult to choose between them >.<
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 03:27:53
my predictions: kin x1213 Raeik HAL Sister_R (judges are fans of JEB? somehow Sister_R ranked as no. 1 in Vic's group...) s777 snow Supawit127 Rex Vicgotgame BaiMai Minzian Sponge Mesi Eriror A13x
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 03:32:03
Predictions: kin > ctionist x1213 > Freeman Raeik > Fratleym Baaron > HAL (will come down to judge preference) Sister_R > Tose s777 > ASIn snow > ocha Supawit127 > Nz ponkotu > Rex (due to fame) Vicgotgame > Fire@Fox BaiMai > Wah Minzian > deathfish Sponge > Tigeroat Mesi > Rhetoric Eriror> Smile Lekunga > A13x
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 03:36:47
baaron vs. HAL, Vic vs. Fire@Fox, and esp. EK vs. Smile will be the matches to watch. EDIT: Does anyone else here think Ponkotu is overrated and gay?
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 03:40:12
lol that's just a little bit biased, the only matches to watch are the 3 with UPSB members? :P
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 03:49:53
strat1227 wrote: lol that's just a little bit biased, the only matches to watch are the 3 with UPSB members? :P
LOL didn't even notice that. Also Lekunga and A13X, Snow and Ocha, and Sister_R and Tose; will be good. I wish NZ the best, that bro's got potential but he has to go against arguably the best spinner in the world :( -
Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 04:44:04
It's quite funny to see that S777 has an easy opponent but most of the other spinners with potential to shine in the next few rounds got difficult battles and some great spinners have to be cut off in this round.
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 05:05:22
I predict: [B]kin[/B] vs ctionist - Almost complete opposites... kin with the renowned control and ctionist with chaotic power. But I think it is strongly in kin's favor. [B]x1213[/B] vs Freeman - Not trying to be a hater, but Freeman's combos all rely on the gimmick appeal... but when it comes down to it, I think x1213 is stronger. [B]Raeik[/B] vs Fratleym - If Raeik can perform as well as he did round 1, this should be his win. Fratleym seems mad rusty. But with Frat, we'll never know till it happens. [B]HAL[/B] vs Baaron - This one is probably the match to watch. It's an unpredictable battle, but I think HAL has the slight advantage in terms of judging bias. :P [B]Sister_R[/B] vs Tose - Tose seems to be one with a lot of potential, so he can easily pull the unexpected win. Sister_R is pretty consistent with his combos, so I'm not expecting anything different. [B]s777[/B] vs ASIn - All I can say is "Poor ASIn". But with 2 rounds of WT, more people are aware of him... it's already a win for him. [B]snow[/B] vs ocha - I'm relying on gut feeling. It's going to be pretty close. I feel judges prefer snow's style. [B]Supawit[/B] vs Nz - Clearly Supawit's the favorite. Nz just seems overshadowed. [B]Ponkotu[/B] vs Rex - I believe in terms of potential, Ponkotu has the most. But he really needs to step up his game. He got lucky just getting into round 2. And Rex is one of the best. [B]Vicgotgame[/B] vs Fire@Fox - Fire@Fox's style isn't blessed with popularity. Vic's got far more potential. Vic is pretty consistent. Imo, Vic's got a big advantage. [B]BaiMai[/B] vs Wah- Both spinners focus on 1P2H, but BaiMai is traditionally better. deathfish vs [B]Minzian[/B] - Power vs linkages. I don't know where all the hype of deathfish is coming from. Minzian's got the advantage imo. [B]Tigeroat[/B] vs Sponge - This one's going to be close. Tigeroat is just more solid overall, so I'm favoring him, but Sponge is a dark horse. Rhetoric vs [B]Mesi[/B] - Popularity differences. Mesi has more crowd-pleasing abilities. Mesi will win as long has he submits something JapEn 6th caliber or better. Eriror vs [B]Smile[/B] - Gonna be very close. Smile just feels more... consistent. But I believe in Eriror. Tbh, it's 50/50, but I'm going with my gut instincts. Lekunga vs [B]A13X[/B] - With Lekunga, I feel he's almost maxed out his current potential. With A13X, I feel there's even more things he has ready to show.
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 05:51:08
oh..... shit............goddamit.... Coincidentally I was saying yesterday from his God. "History and the most good". I know the feeling, however, Mubarak But I challenge. Try to achieve the feat of winning with him.
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 06:09:37
ASIn.com wrote: oh..... shit............goddamit.... Coincidentally I was saying yesterday from his God. "History and the most good". I know the feeling, however, Mubarak But I challenge. Try to achieve the feat of winning with him.
you're saying you need a miracle similar to Egyptian revolution to win against s777? rofl -
Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 07:57:09
Looking forward to Ocha vs Snow, Vic vs Fire@Fox, Baaron vs HAL, and Ponkotu vs Rex, R2 sure is going to be exciting.
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 08:06:13
A [B]kin (HKPSA) [/B]vs ctionist (JEB ) x1213 (TWPS) vs [B]Freeman (SPSC)[/B] Raeik (FPSB ) vs Fratleym (FPSB ) Unsure, both really good spinners. HAL (JEB ) vs Baaron (UPSB ) Unsure yet again, Goodluck Baaron :\ [B]Sister_R (JEB )[/B] vs Tose (KPSA) [B]s777 (FPSB )[/B] vs ASIn (JEB ) snow (PSH) vs [B]ocha (JEB )[/B] Supawit127 (THPSC) vs Nz (THPSC)[B] This really bothers me, both spinners from the same community. Theres a chance Nz won't go all out therefore giving an easy win to Supawit to proceed to the next round... [/B] B ponkotu (JEB ) vs Rex (TWPS) EPIC. [B]Vicgotgame (UPSB ) [/B]vs Fire@Fox (JEB ) duh. [B]BaiMai (THPSC)[/B] vs Wah (HKPSA) deathfish (PPSC) vs Minzian (TWPS) Unsure again Tigeroat (THPSC) vs Sponge (GPC) Unsure Rhetoric (JEB ) vs Mesi (JEB ) Same community again :/ [B]Eriror (UPSB ) [/B]vs Smile (FPSB ) Lekunga (GPC) vs A13x (FPSB ) unsure
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 08:20:35
In Round 1 group A , I gave ocha and snow same total points [17.5] so this battle gonna worth to watch HAL vs Baaron , Tigeroat vs sponge :D:D
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 08:24:31
s777 and asin of course
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 13:34:34
Rhetoric vs Mesi will be very good IMO. they were both great in round 1
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 16:04:21
[B]kin[/B] vs ctionist - I enjoy both of these spinners, but I think kin is stronger and and win it. I do hope he shows some more material though, a lot of his spinning is pretty similar. x1213 vs [B]Freeman[/B] - not really a huge fan of his spinning, but I think he will make it past this round. Raeik vs [B]Fratleym[/B] - Seems pretty matched, will be interesting. [B]HAL[/B] vs Baaron - This will be interesting battle as well, but depending on the combo baaron makes, I think HAL will win. Sister_R vs [B]Tose[/B] - I think Tose can with this battle. I like Sister_R, but I think his KT spinning can come off as spammy a lot of the time. [B]s777[/B] vs ASIn - Never been to big of a fan of s777's style, but there is no doubt he can easily take care of ASIn. [B]snow[/B] vs ocha - Probably snow. Ocha's spinning is really entertaining and impressive, but it looks very out of control. [B]Supawit[/B] vs Nz - I kinda like how Nz's style kinda looks like both thai and japanesey, but Supawit is definitaly stronger. [B]Ponkotu[/B] vs Rex - Ponkotu's R1 finisher made me kinda lol. Rex is really great, but ponkotu has this one, that is unless rex really shows him up. [B]Vicgotgame[/B] vs Fire@Fox - Fire@Fox could of probably advance if he was placed against someone else, but vic would be an extremely tough win. [B]BaiMai[/B] vs Wah- BaiMai definitely has hype and recognition on his side, and he seems a tad stronger. Tigeroat vs [B]Sponge[/B] - Both are pretty matched, but I'd go with Sponge, his R1 combo was really impressive. Rhetoric vs [B]Mesi[/B] - Mesi's links are amazing, he will definitely go far. [B]Eriror[/B] vs Smile - I loved the smoothness and control of smile's around links in his R1 combo, but I still think Eriror can beat him no prob. Lekunga vs [B]A13X[/B] - I personally enjoyed Lekunga's combo more, but I think A13X will beat him.
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 17:12:56
drgripable wrote: s777's combo for round one with a dc comssa was epic, and like zombo commented on the combo: r2 combo: 3000*f r3 combo: RSVP r4 combo: #2 pencil r5 combo: bic r6 combo: a toothpick XD
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 21:52:35
A kin (HKPSA) vs ctionist (JEB ) x1213 (TWPS) vs Freeman (SPSC) - I'd love to see the oldtimer winning but everyone seems to be obsessed with fingercrossing... HAL (JEB ) vs Baaron (UPSB ) Sister_R (JEB ) vs Tose (KPSA) s777 (FPSB ) vs ASIn (JEB ) - Gogo ASIn don't give up! snow (PSH) vs ocha (JEB ) - They both showed off some pretty impressive stuff in R1 but I think snow has more potential. Supawit127 (THPSC) vs Nz (THPSC) B ponkotu (JEB ) vs Rex (TWPS) - Rex! Vicgotgame (UPSB ) vs Fire@Fox (JEB ) BaiMai (THPSC) vs Wah (HKPSA) deathfish (PPSC) vs Minzian (TWPS) Tigeroat (THPSC) vs Sponge (GPC) Rhetoric (JEB ) vs Mesi (JEB ) - I don't like what I see. Mesi is most likely going to win. Eriror (UPSB ) vs Smile (FPSB ) Lekunga (GPC) vs A13x (FPSB ) - Sorry Lekunga, no chance 8)
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 22:02:06
Jazz wrote: Wait your allowed to spin toothpicks?
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Date: Sun, Feb 13 2011 23:05:44
Zombo's favourite spinner, Freeman, will win.
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Date: Mon, Feb 14 2011 19:55:00
I'm so fucking excited for the Eriror v. Smile battle. Smiles got some dope smoothness and style, but Eriror is just such a powerhouse that he's going to be hard to beat. Can't wait.
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Date: Mon, Feb 14 2011 21:00:25
tylt wrote: I'm so fucking excited for the Eriror v. Smile battle. Smiles got some dope smoothness and style, but Eriror is just such a powerhouse that he's going to be hard to beat. Can't wait.
Couldn't agree more, i'm gonna go ahead and say smile wins it though. this battle will be good, and HAL vs. Baaron. HAL is one of my favorite spinners but I'd love to see baaron go far too. -
Date: Wed, Feb 16 2011 17:51:45
A [B]kin[/B] (HKPSA) vs ctionist (JEB ) x1213 (TWPS) vs [B]Freeman[/B] (SPSC) [B]Raeik [/B](FPSB) vs Fratleym (FPSB) I think Raeik gonna own. [B]HAL [/B](JEB ) vs Baaron (UPSB ) HAL is stronger imo, he would beat Baaron. [B]Sister_R[/B] (JEB ) vs Tose (KPSA) [B]s777 [/B](FPSB ) vs ASIn (JEB ) - Obviously, s777. snow (PSH) vs [B]ocha[/B] (JEB ) - I dont understand what people like at Snow. Ocha's difficulity is much higher, doing such hard tricks at that speed:O Supawit127 (THPSC) vs Nz (THPSC) I'm not sure about this, probably Supawit'll pass but my fav is Nz for this battle. B ponkotu (JEB ) vs Rex (TWPS) - Both good spinners, and very close battle, dunno... [B]Vicgotgame[/B] (UPSB ) vs Fire@Fox (JEB ) The battle I'm waiting to see! Vic looks like gonna beat Fire@fox but it's not for sure, Fire@Fox can perform awesome combos, too. [B]BaiMai[/B] (THPSC) vs Wah (HKPSA) [B]deathfish[/B] (PPSC) vs Minzian (TWPS) For first round, deathfish was better than Minzian, I think I'd be same for this round, too. [B]Tigeroat[/B] (THPSC) vs Sponge (GPC) Rhetoric (JEB ) vs Mesi (JEB ) - Both are great spinners, Mesi is one of favorites(though I dont like his spinning a lot) so judges will vote for him probably. Eriror (UPSB ) vs Smile (FPSB ) No idea, looks like will be a good battle. Both have chance to win. Lekunga (GPC) vs [B]A13x[/B] (FPSB ) - Lekunga impressed me at first round. If he has something else for R2, he might beat A13x but I think A13x will win. btw; I thought colddi would pass to second round for sure, his execution was perfect, difficulity and presentation was very good, too. Too bad...
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Date: Wed, Feb 16 2011 18:02:01
All I gotta say is... Shit's about to go down. Intense.
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Date: Thu, Feb 17 2011 02:34:34
My Predictions: A kin x1213 Raeik HAL Tose s777 ocha Supawit127 and Nz...I propose a tie...I CANT CHOOSE!!! B ponkotu Vicgotgame BaiMai Minzian Tigeroat Mesi Eriror A13x Some might be from being biased tho...woops
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Date: Fri, Feb 18 2011 07:26:57
Just realised that the possibility of a non Asian taking the trophy is very real this year.
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Date: Fri, Feb 18 2011 14:35:23
9/32 are not asian
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Date: Fri, Feb 18 2011 15:08:58
Zombo wrote: 9/32 are not asian
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Date: Fri, Feb 18 2011 15:55:08
All belief to VIC and HAL, my favs :) (though Fire@Fox and Baaron are both excellent) Besides, I think Kin will make it, really impressed by his TP 2-3-4 with MX >.> Errrr, why Dongza is not here this year ?
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Date: Fri, Feb 18 2011 20:08:42
Mesi R2 First one of the round?
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Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 01:01:25
Zombo wrote: 9/32 are not asian
But the top 2 spinners in he competiton are not asian Vic (I think he is Half Asian but still not a full Asian. haha.) and S777 -
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 02:46:20
Hippo2626 wrote: But the top 2 spinners in he competiton are not asian Vic (I think he is Half Asian but still not a full Asian. haha.) and S777
LOL Everyone thinks im asian... Im a white mexican. ;) -
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 03:39:48
... most spinners are asian... and you spin so well
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Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 13:56:39
As in R1, we're going to keep this post updated: http://spinalong.com/blog/?p=3785&lang=en Mesi and Tose for now :)
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Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 19:13:01
tose combo is hotttttt bit loss of control at the end
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Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 19:15:42
tose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvCSYi-D7Rc Awesome.
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Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 14:54:25
we have our first complete battle sister_r [video=youtube;YfWaO-Xc7Mw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfWaO-Xc7Mw[/video] tight contest ....
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Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 15:44:36
eh hard . i think tose had more to show...but i just think sister_R's control wins over it. it can go either way but my personal preference is sister_R. but really really nice tose.
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Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 20:55:54
sister owns!
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Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 22:45:38
Tose's combo is very nice, but imo sister_R is going to win this round
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 05:56:26
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=0A794C33913F9BAD started a Playlist
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 12:50:02
[video=youtube;HTCrC7Cdywk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTCrC7Cdywk[/video] HAL, good luck baaron
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 13:06:36
Epic ... HAL, epic (but smt's not right at the last moment, isn't it ?) Btw, what's that trick at 10s in Tose's combo ? It's really awesome >.<
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 14:30:06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sESciNK4Njo&feature=feedu minzian
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 16:28:30
[video=youtube;i4ulcEU4Lco]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4ulcEU4Lco&feature=player_embedded[/video]
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Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 21:34:19
Kirby;63384]EDIT: Does anyone else here think Ponkotu is overrated and gay?[/QUOTE] Ponkotu is awesome stfu [QUOTE=darkdazh wrote: Predictions: Baaron > HAL [COLOR="red"](will come down to judge preference)[/COLOR]
unfortunately, that is so true :( ---------------------------------------------- so: HAL vs. Baaron really sticks out in my mind. HAL is an amazingly sexy spinner, but I think from R1 it is clear that he won because of judging bias. Half his combo is what I consider to be spam, and he was placed first in his group. Meanwhile, Baaron only had two very short instances of spam/filler and was placed fourth. There are many other factors that favored Baaron in my opinion, such as the difficulty of linkages. In round 1, the hardest thing HAL did was a MA 12-12 > Pass Rev 12-23 > Charge Rev 23 > RA 23-23 (yes, his finisher is easier than that). The hardest thing Baaron did was a Palm down pinkybak release 34-T1 > Fingerswitch T1-11 > FL Palm down IA Rev 0.5 11-12 ~ Spiderspin 0.5 12-34. Seems quite obvious to me that Baaron's combo demonstrated more expertise in pen spinning. I really hope Baaron wins this match :/ All I can say for right now is that having broke down HAL's R2 combo, things are not looking good for him. He's definitely going to lose points in creativity since his finisher uses the same RA > Pass rev 34-23 > MA > Pass rev 23-12 > IA as his combo from round 1. (The only difference is that in round 1, his fingers are in instead of out, and the finisher uses an IA riser instead which is connected to middle spreads) If HAL is given a high creativity score, it will be extremely obvious that his score is a result of judging bias. To summarize, Baaron > HAL. --------------------------------------------- About the credibility of the breakdowns I provided: Keep in mind I'm on the breakdown team. I broke Baaron's combo down with Baaron himself, and HAL released his own breakdown (which i altered slightly to better fit ps notation). --------------------------------------------- EDIT: oh yeah, some of the cool-looking stuff in HAL's R2 video is just well-executed spam. Namely the Twisted Sonic rev 12-23 > Charge 23 > Sonic 23-13 > Pass rev 13-34-23-12 > Charge Rev 12 > Inv Sonic rev 12-13 > Pass rev 13-34 > Ringaround > Tw Sonic 34-23 > Tw Sonic Rev 23-34. ^ Quite a bit of low level stuff to be in the WT imo ;D -
Date: Thu, Feb 24 2011 23:41:58
I understand where you're coming from and agree for the most part, but what bugs me is how you assume that unbiased judging is possible in the first place. Pen spinning is subjective by nature. The judging system that the WT uses (with the categories and whatnot) is an attempt at objectifying the judging process as much as possible. The idea of objectifying something subjective by nature is just flawed in the first place, so a completely objective judging system is impossible. Therefore, we need to acknowledge that there will always be bias stemming from subjectivity. How did people like HAL establish a fan-base in the first place? It's because many people enjoy his style; it's aesthetically pleasing. Seeing that style plays a big role in pen spinning, isn't it natural that it should play some part in the judging? But style is completely subjective. Thus, we should ignore it as much as possible. From what I've been seeing, this is pretty much how judging in pen spinning has worked. Ignore subjective parts of pen spinning and focus on more objective things like speed, creativity, difficulty, etc. But this in itself is flawed because it creates bias; certain styles tend to do better than other styles. Spinners who can "work the system" have better chances of doing well than spinners who ignore the system. Not going to call out any names... but I feel this bias is very obvious. I see that HAL's fanboy bias seems to give Baaron an unfair disadvantage in the battle, but I feel it is equally unfair to simply analyze the breakdowns of the combos and judge purely based on that. HAL, like many Japanese spinners, seems to put a huge chunk of his attention to aesthetic appeal, making simple tricks look nice; ignoring this effort because it seems subjective just seems wrong to me. I'm starting to ramble but I'm just saying, let's not overanalyze everything. At the end, bias will always exist in judged pen spinning and pen spinning in general. Let's just sit back and enjoy the combos that all of these world class spinners will be producing. Both HAL and Baaron have a big fanbase. Anyone who says Spinner A is better than Spinner B because Spinner A won the battle is just retarded.
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 00:14:08
perhaps. but vicgotgame not getting first..and sister_R getting first in their group is bs. i dont know what the hell JEB judges were thinking when NONE of them put them in their top 4. BS! what the hell did they mark vic down for?
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 01:23:50
I have to disagree with casual. It's true that PSing is subjective but in some areas only, there is a technical side to it as well. Style falls under the preference and is essential in PSing, hence it isn't in the judging system because there's no possible way to debate on who has the better style. However you can see when someone has an undeveloped style/no style and he can be penalised in the presentation category. All the other categories that have been classified in the judging system are just as important as well and are clearly not subjective. Many spinners do not like Freeman becasue of he enjoys experimenting with untouched areas of PSing but no one can deny that he is not creative. Personally, I don't like powertricking all that much but I acknowledge that it is difficult. Execution as well, you can see that when someone has control, smoothness or speed.
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 01:56:23
casual wrote: but what bugs me is how you assume that unbiased judging is possible in the first place.
I don't think i ever said that :/ it just bugs me that it's quite obviously happening :[ On a different note, I have to agree with you about HAL emphasizing aesthetic appeal; his combos are always stunning to watch and I almost always think his execution is perfect. However, we have to consider what Rarka (or Raeik, forgot who) said in the WT11 Podcast, that a spinner should have a balance of all the various aspects of pen spinning and not just concentrate his skill in a few areas. That being said, HAL lacks in difficulty and creativity, whereas Baaron's only weakness (i think) is that he can use slight improvement in execution. Considering all aspects of pen spinning (especially his creative, ridiculous linkages), I definitely feel Baaron's on a higher tier than HAL. Now we're gonna debate the definition of the "best spinner", huh? xD Also, am I just UPSB-biased towards Baaron? Yeah, of course. But I think the information I laid out in my previous post gives pretty concrete support to my standpoint. -
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 02:15:48
calm down guys just, tbh and imo => sister > vic and hal > baaron really. you are from upsb, you may have biased view too ^^
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 02:22:43
Did you read post 65 of this thread? I definitely have pro-Baaron bias, but the information I laid out in my first post in this thread is either factual or fact-based. i guess i should stop ranting. everyone's definition of the "best spinner" is different =\
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 08:12:54
Baaron is very very obviously spinner at a higher level than Hal imo. Baarons combos have amazing flawless links, awesome creativity, very high difficulty and well above average execution
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 09:59:30
[video=youtube;GixcOTUvwFA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GixcOTUvwFA[/video] ocha
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 10:03:09
LOOOOOOL OCHA
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 10:04:15
btw the spreads while turning around thing is pretty hard, way harder than it looks xD i tried it just then -.- this vid reminds me a bit of ponkotu in WC10, lol
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 10:07:52
now ocha!!! great loved it! more ENCORE!
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 11:33:49
Ocha's combo was 26 seconds. starting from after the unzipping 0.01 to the catch with the head at the end 0.27 (More of 0.27.75) but does he get an immediate disqualification because of this?
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 13:12:42
ocha....wtf
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 13:34:06
=)) Wow nice show Ocha =)) Impressive =))
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 14:00:40
ocha xD funny combo, but not ridiculous! really great... i think the combo is 00:03 - 00:28 rhetoric http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFdmcNE2dTU&feature=player_embedded
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 14:26:39
Ponkotu's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHdmXOFTKo8&feature=feedu
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 15:12:28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFrmsyn5jsI&feature=player_embedded Ctionist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPsNktYLnks&feature=player_embedded Fire@Fox
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 15:38:26
Ponkotu..I hope he steps up. He'd be luckey to get past this. Rhetoric was awesome.
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 16:04:37
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZUpfKcv6Es x1213! Sick Wiper Release!
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 16:07:21
[video=youtube;99tPeLwCaUc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99tPeLwCaUc[/video] Sponge omg
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 16:08:39
Erirornal Kraione wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZUpfKcv6Es x1213! Sick Wiper Release!
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 16:09:31
Siiiick stuff.
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 17:03:17
[video=youtube;QVOp-hhXAws]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVOp-hhXAws[/video] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVOp-hhXAws snow
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 17:36:48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV6GOpIWkHc Vicgotgame. <3
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 17:40:29
Darn you beat me by 2 mins :P Fire@Fox wins imo..
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 17:42:27
SISTER_R!!!! ♥.♥
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 18:35:37
casual wrote: I understand where you're coming from and agree for the most part, but what bugs me is how you assume that unbiased judging is possible in the first place. Pen spinning is subjective by nature. The judging system that the WT uses (with the categories and whatnot) is an attempt at objectifying the judging process as much as possible. The idea of objectifying something subjective by nature is just flawed in the first place, so a completely objective judging system is impossible. Therefore, we need to acknowledge that there will always be bias stemming from subjectivity. How did people like HAL establish a fan-base in the first place? It's because many people enjoy his style; it's aesthetically pleasing. Seeing that style plays a big role in pen spinning, isn't it natural that it should play some part in the judging? But style is completely subjective. Thus, we should ignore it as much as possible. From what I've been seeing, this is pretty much how judging in pen spinning has worked. Ignore subjective parts of pen spinning and focus on more objective things like speed, creativity, difficulty, etc. But this in itself is flawed because it creates bias; certain styles tend to do better than other styles. Spinners who can "work the system" have better chances of doing well than spinners who ignore the system. Not going to call out any names... but I feel this bias is very obvious. I see that HAL's fanboy bias seems to give Baaron an unfair disadvantage in the battle, but I feel it is equally unfair to simply analyze the breakdowns of the combos and judge purely based on that. HAL, like many Japanese spinners, seems to put a huge chunk of his attention to aesthetic appeal, making simple tricks look nice; ignoring this effort because it seems subjective just seems wrong to me. I'm starting to ramble but I'm just saying, let's not overanalyze everything. At the end, bias will always exist in judged pen spinning and pen spinning in general. Let's just sit back and enjoy the combos that all of these world class spinners will be producing. Both HAL and Baaron have a big fanbase. Anyone who says Spinner A is better than Spinner B because Spinner A won the battle is just retarded.
Let's look at some comparisons with the given judging scheme: Smoothness - HAL wins, though Baaron is in no way "not smooth" Difficulty - Baaron wins, hands down. Linkages are much more advanced, trick selection is much more advanced. Creativity - Baaron wins, again. Half of HAL's combos are just pretty looking spam. Presentation - Could go both ways. Personally, I like how Baaron takes the time and everything to look at the contrast of his mod against the dark background and adjust the lighting to suit his spinning. Now on to point deductions - maybe a minus point here for poor structure in HAL's combos, some judges may take away points from Baaron for not having a "distinct enough style". Subjective parts can only take HAL so far, Baaron easily wins in most of the technical stuff and comes pretty close in the artistic stuff. -
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 19:55:40
Hippo2626 wrote: Ocha's combo was 26 seconds. starting from after the unzipping 0.01 to the catch with the head at the end 0.27 (More of 0.27.75) but does he get an immediate disqualification because of this?
i agree with gisele 8 that the combo is from :03 to :28 unzipping a zipper technically isn't doing anything spinning-wise -
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 20:56:58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rgZn45ZtNk ASIn No WT sign. :(
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 21:05:32
This WT round is soo good. D: I'm worried about vic.
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 21:21:48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiAjh9Dt8vI s777 guys! (y)
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 21:21:58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiAjh9Dt8vI s777 I don't see ASIn making this.
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 21:25:16
kin wrote: i think that should be an 13 indexaround release since it was done after the wiper, but nice linkage indeed
I disagree. There was no push into an indexaround, the pen just "flew" out of 13. But w/e, that was amazing. -
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 21:26:33
hoiboy wrote: I disagree. There was no push into an indexaround, the pen just "flew" out of 13. But w/e, that was amazing.
That it was, sir. -
Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 21:51:13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_kvjdUwJ8Y&feature=player_embedded Lekunga (:
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 22:15:11
a13x vs lekunga sure is a close match =O i really can't say who's the best... i don't even have any preference i really lol'd at s777 acting like a kid omg... how can it be possible to become so big-headed, by spinning a pen lol? edit: i usually never judge people sorry, we're jugglers right, but this was pathetic
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 23:37:28
@Gisele 8 What happened with s777?
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Date: Fri, Feb 25 2011 23:56:48
he doesn't accept any negative feedback, ridiculous reactions lol. but whatever for the moment level is really high O.O
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 01:23:36
[video=youtube;K1ziYaeFjAY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ziYaeFjAY&feature=feedu[/video] A13X
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 04:35:08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucimlHYko-w supawit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu9VUW2pp-8&feature=autofb Nz
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 04:42:07
Supawit and Nz's combos were both so good... Why did they have to be matched up? :( Snow's combo had a lot of great style transfers, my favorite so far. Good luck everyone!
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 04:53:45
[video=youtube;0a_oC1UW52k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a_oC1UW52k[/video] kin
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 05:11:29
Wow I love snow, Vic :D some great spinning for sure from all the spinners so far ... Love it
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 05:43:40
kin's vid is my fav so far this round, despite the off-cams, just wow
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 05:51:51
So far, well, I think Pon will not be good enough to beat Rex ... And Fire@Fox, as well ... Btw, really worried about HAL :(
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 06:28:14
[video=youtube;u4E3HeZf2G0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4E3HeZf2G0&feature=feedu[/video] Baaron
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 06:31:29
Kin, representing the mx :D
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 06:33:49
There are currently 7 users browsing this thread. (4 members and 3 guests) 1. Stare 2. poisoned 3. supawit127 4. ellusion67 supawit: :sofa:
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 06:44:14
I split the playlist into 2: Side A: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=0A794C33913F9BAD Side B: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=5409E410F9AF2668
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 06:50:48
I specially come here to comment on the part on supawit127 and Nz... both are very good, I don't want supawit127 to lose.. because if he turns to 1p1h, you will know how scary it is.. hope Nz will not win, but after looking at Nz's vid, especially his 3 years' solo, I'm also impressed by him.. quite of the same style as supawit. Well, supawit127 must win this round.
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 09:00:28
[video=youtube;YTyGlM3AeKc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTyGlM3AeKc[/video] Wah
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 11:31:28
Freeman, my hero<3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wq4OsqsD04&feature=feedu
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 11:48:34
I was dissapointed at freeman.:facepalm:
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 12:34:55
Round 1: The FL. TA. (Palm Down) ~ FL. Inverse Sonic Rev. trick was used by so many spinners (I think 15 spinner) Round 2: TP's (Used in rarely used ways) seem to be the highlight (So Far Fire@Fox, Kin, Freeman and Wah)
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 12:36:22
Rapid wrote: I was dissapointed at freeman.:facepalm:
Yeah me too... but the combo was pretty nice. He said he had finger injury... -
Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 12:38:08
maybe freeman thought to use some slower and unique tricks? I dunno, i hope he wont lose, but he probably will.><
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 13:51:34
When I saw Ocha's vid, I was like, "WTF?" He's like a powerranger. LOL
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 14:30:56
Whoa, this R2 is being really interesting ö kin killed me with the TP Rev 234 o_o I'm still waiting for BaiMai, Raeik, Smile and Eriror...it's going to be orgasmic :33 Btw for those who don't know yet, you can see the updated list with all the combos for R2 here http://spinalong.com/blog/?p=3785 :3
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 16:10:05
[video=youtube;BKKIci8zySY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKKIci8zySY&feature=feedu[/video] Deathfish
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 16:54:36
Okay guys, s777 wt11 r2 old vid is removed because a guy used alot of account to dislike the old one Heres the new video[video=youtube;WAEOsOJ-zN0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAEOsOJ-zN0[/video] But ironically the new video has more dislikes than the old one-.- i dunno what s777 is gonna do nao._.
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 16:59:33
lol
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 18:30:33
Tigeroat [video=youtube;QlBs_PoI3J0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlBs_PoI3J0[/video] EDIT: This video by Raeik was uploaded a week ago, but it does say "Good luck Fratelym", so I'm not sure if this is Raeik's real WT video... but here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2dkTm57Juc
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 18:44:48
eriror [video=youtube;8a8dHhK-cwE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a8dHhK-cwE&feature=feedu[/video] I am fooled! :P
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 18:52:17
Night Fury wrote: Yeah me too... but the combo was pretty nice. He said he had finger injury...
this isn't middle school. you dont get to sit out during the track class just because your leg is broken. i hope judges don't give him extra points.. that was just an insulting video.. he should have just dropped out if he had a finger injury -
Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 20:36:29
Stare wrote: this isn't middle school. you dont get to sit out during the track class just because your leg is broken. i hope judges don't give him extra points.. that was just an insulting video.. he should have just dropped out if he had a finger injury
Those fingercrossed arounds are hard as hell dude. Also, he made a combo and didn't "sit out" so your analogy makes no sense. -
Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 20:38:52
AwonW wrote: Those fingercrossed arounds are hard as hell dude. Also, he made a combo and didn't "sit out" so your analogy makes no sense.
hes wasting the other competitors time. if i were x123 i would have rather won by default and saved the hours getting down an awesome combo for an actual battle.. le sigh... i have no doubt those were hard, with a injured finger no doubt even harder, but effort and appealing/smooth spinning are not interchangeable.. -
Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 20:55:54
are you joking?
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 20:57:40
Fratleym [video=youtube;kRw6EF8IuJA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRw6EF8IuJA[/video]
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 21:02:51
Riley;68531]Fratleym [video=youtube;kRw6EF8IuJA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRw6EF8IuJA[/video][/QUOTE] my favorite styled spinner :wub: [QUOTE=Jamie Enns wrote: are you joking?
no.. theres no excuse for uploading a combo wit so much stuttering and stopping all over the place.. -
Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 21:07:52
x1213 (I think that's his name) and Eriror are my favorites along with Snow's 1p2h
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 21:18:26
Stare wrote: hes wasting the other competitors time. if i were x123 i would have rather won by default and saved the hours getting down an awesome combo for an actual battle.. le sigh... i have no doubt those were hard, with a injured finger no doubt even harder, but effort and appealing/smooth spinning are not interchangeable..
How is winning by default better than winning against someone who tried their hardest under difficult circumstances? It's pretty fucked up to not send a video after someone's already spent tons of time making a video. You're assuming that freeman knew way in advance that he was going to have a finger injury so he would be able to contact x1213, but this probably wasn't the case. I really hope you're joking. -
Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 21:19:27
AwonW wrote: How is winning by default better than winning against someone who tried their hardest under difficult circumstances? It's pretty fucked up to not send a video after someone's already spent tons of time making a video. You're assuming that freeman knew way in advance that he was going to have a finger injury so he would be able to contact x1213, but this probably wasn't the case. I really hope you're joking.
i would have saved the combo for r3 or something. -
Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 21:25:24
Stare, it wouldn't be fair towards the rest if Freeman dropped out and x1213 got a free win. It would give him more material for the next rounds in comparison to us. Also, lol @ people being gullible again.
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 21:30:08
[video=youtube;z9wmlDUnBnU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9wmlDUnBnU[/video] Raeik
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 21:32:06
casual wrote: [video=youtube;z9wmlDUnBnU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9wmlDUnBnU[/video] Raeik
a lil short [14 seconds] and some more color contrast [pen/shirt/half of bg was black, hand and table also matched] would have added appeal but the spinning was awesome. and bonus points for long nails -
Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 21:52:31
Stare, seriously, are you high or something? I can't understand what you are saying, lol. I'm going to assume you're just being really sarcastic and I have a really short mind and I can't get your sarcasm :) Raeik <3 to the maximum. ♥
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 22:12:44
VikroaL wrote: Stare, seriously, are you high or something? I can't understand what you are saying, lol. I'm going to assume you're just being really sarcastic and I have a really short mind and I can't get your sarcasm :) Raeik <3 to the maximum. ♥
just giving my opinions -
Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 22:35:28
Stare wrote: a lil short [14 seconds] and some more color contrast [pen/shirt/half of bg was black, hand and table also matched] would have added appeal but the spinning was awesome. [B]and bonus points for long nails[/B]
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 22:42:38
Smile [video=youtube;H7LYrPJEAuI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7LYrPJEAuI[/video]
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 23:43:33
Riley wrote: Smile [video=youtube;H7LYrPJEAuI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7LYrPJEAuI[/video]
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Date: Sat, Feb 26 2011 23:55:42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUEwXRv5yLs And finally, my video.
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 00:33:52
both ek and smile had really nice videos. both emphasis smooth but stylish links. im leaning towards ek here, just had more appeal.
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 01:15:42
Stare wrote: excellent contrast and appealing combo, if a bit easy at first
:gtfo: of this thread. all you do is produce random shit comments that trigger even more random shit comments ,,/,, asdf -
Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 01:22:04
Frip wrote: :gtfo: of this thread. all you do is produce random shit comments that trigger even more random shit comments ,,/,, asdf
:ssst:
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 02:38:15
Frip, his comment about smile isn't that bad. Smile's difficulty is rather low compared to other wt spinners like his opponent, eriror.
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 02:57:17
Mage In Black wrote: Frip, his comment about smile isn't that bad. Smile's difficulty is rather low compared to other wt spinners like his opponent, eriror.
not like i was rude about it either, i had praise to say and without constructive criticism how can artists ever improve? -
Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 03:02:32
Stare wrote: not like i was rude about it either
You were, however, rude about freeman's combo. -
Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 03:05:03
AwonW wrote: You were, however, rude about freeman's combo.
yes i was. that wasn't so much constructive as :facepalm: there comes a point where constructive criticism will sound pretentious and rude unless you lie about it. -
Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 03:35:24
Stare wrote: yes i was. that wasn't so much constructive as :facepalm: there comes a point where constructive criticism will sound pretentious and rude unless you lie about it.
Without constructive criticism how can artists ever improve? If you worked on wording your constructive criticisms better you'll find that people will be much more willing to hear them. -
Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 03:55:29
AwonW wrote: Without constructive criticism how can artists ever improve? If you worked on wording your constructive criticisms better you'll find that people will be much more willing to hear them.
okay, how about this: "Don't upload combos when your finger is injured." constructive? -
Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 05:00:25
[video=youtube;oh0nvo7mMWs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh0nvo7mMWs&feature=feedu[/video] ASIn's real submission.
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 05:16:01
casual wrote: [video=youtube;oh0nvo7mMWs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh0nvo7mMWs&feature=feedu[/video] ASIn's real submission.
awesome! But i wonder how he'll do against s777 :( -
Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 05:27:20
BaiMai :D [video=youtube;OozsZC6N3mY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OozsZC6N3mY[/video] EDIT: Anyone know what mod?
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 05:27:55
Van wrote: awesome! But i wonder how he'll do against s777 :(
hehe s777 r2 vid is weak compared to this one. if it was against his r1 video he might be in trouble but i think ASIn will advance. -
Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 09:09:16
Side A: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=0A794C33913F9BAD Side B: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=5409E410F9AF2668 Arranged according to battles already
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 09:56:45
"Don't upload combos when your finger is injured."
For me it's a dishonour to not to send a combo, and this is WT! How could I speak to other spinners if I didn't submit? At least I showed some new concepts (despite bad execution), what is my unique and real goal in pen spinning. -
Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 12:23:36
Freeman wrote: For me it's a dishonour to not to send a combo, and this is WT! How could I speak to other spinners if I didn't submit? At least I showed some new concepts (despite bad execution), what is my unique and real goal in pen spinning.
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 12:53:51
Freeman wrote: For me it's a dishonour to not to send a combo, and this is WT! How could I speak to other spinners if I didn't submit? At least I showed some new concepts (despite bad execution), what is my unique and real goal in pen spinning.
Good job dude, no worries -
Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 16:57:08
No offence but I don't like watching freeman or fratlym. I feel that whenever someone throws something creative in their combo; whether it's cool and looks decent, or not, everyone gets all orgasmy and thinks theyre amazing. Like fratlym: he looks like I gave a old man a pen for a week and showd him wiper tutorials, the shit is just ugly. And yah, it was a little creative and diffucult, but the shit is ugly, and doesn't look like a WT spinner. Like did you see his just normal (non creative spinning), it was pretty pathetic. Freeman can still spin decently ok without his creativity, but it's still just very unapealing. I feel ponkotu (who i still think is slightly overrated) is one of the only (if not the only) spinners who can pull off insane creativity, with still a decent looking combo. And the finger injury: meh, If you're going to submit while being injured, props to you; but don't announce, or blame the poor combo based on that injury. I really hope fratlym gets knocked out. Also Raiek's (or whatever order of those 3 vowels his name has) angle and spinning reminds me a lot of xspin
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 18:04:55
Kirby wrote: No offence but I don't like watching freeman or fratlym. I feel that whenever someone throws something creative in their combo; whether it's cool and looks decent, or not, everyone gets all orgasmy and thinks theyre amazing. Like fratlym: he looks like I gave a old man a pen for a week and showd him wiper tutorials, the shit is just ugly. And yah, it was a little creative and diffucult, but the shit is ugly, and doesn't look like a WT spinner. Like did you see his just normal (non creative spinning), it was pretty pathetic. Freeman can still spin decently ok without his creativity, but it's still just very unapealing. I feel ponkotu (who i still think is slightly overrated) is one of the only (if not the only) spinners who can pull off insane creativity, with still a decent looking combo. And the finger injury: meh, If you're going to submit while being injured, props to you; but don't announce, or blame the poor combo based on that injury. I really hope fratlym gets knocked out. Also Raiek's (or whatever order of those 3 vowels his name has) angle and spinning reminds me a lot of xspin
I have no idea who this Fratlym guy is, dude. Fratleym on the other hand is a genious, I can't get enough of his videos. B) Raeik might have made the better combo and video, but I enjoy Fratleym's spinning just as much. Also, imagine you have a broken toe, and you have to run 100 meters. You're not gonna say: "Sorry I didn't do as good as I should, I had an injury?" That's just stupid, dude. -
Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 18:11:47
my first impressions =) kin vs ctionist => kin , no prob i think x1213 vs freeman => x1213 obvious raeik vs fratleym => disapointing battle, still raeik. hal vs baaron => hal a bit better sister r vs tose => sister r better. s777 vs asin => close, but s777 is s777 right? snow vs ocha => i like ocha but snow is solid. snow supawit vs nz => supawit has more to show, nothing really special here tough ponkotu vs rex => rex, complete vic vs fire@fox => very close, i'd say fire@fox baimai vs wah => i'd say baimai deathfish vs minzian => expected more =/ deathfsh maybe? i still like minizian too.. tigeroat vs sponge => sponge is strong. rhetoric vs mesi => mesi's combo is intense but i think rhetoric wins. eriror vs smile, => eriror, smile is kinda spammy.. what a shame lekunga vs a13x => what a battle! i like both, both are strong, ... i REALLY can't choose. awesome r2! :innocent:
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 19:10:54
Kirby wrote: No offence but I don't like watching freeman or fratlym. I feel that whenever someone throws something creative in their combo; whether it's cool and looks decent, or not, everyone gets all orgasmy and thinks theyre amazing. Like fratlym: he looks like I gave a old man a pen for a week and showd him wiper tutorials, the shit is just ugly. And yah, it was a little creative and diffucult, but the shit is ugly, and doesn't look like a WT spinner. Like did you see his just normal (non creative spinning), it was pretty pathetic. Freeman can still spin decently ok without his creativity, but it's still just very unapealing. I feel ponkotu (who i still think is slightly overrated) is one of the only (if not the only) spinners who can pull off insane creativity, with still a decent looking combo. And the finger injury: meh, If you're going to submit while being injured, props to you; but don't announce, or blame the poor combo based on that injury. I really hope fratlym gets knocked out. Also Raiek's (or whatever order of those 3 vowels his name has) angle and spinning reminds me a lot of xspin
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 19:17:22
Official link: http://www.worldpenspinning.com/?p=468 All Videos Pack: http://www.worldpenspinning.com/wt11/r2/R2.zip [B](RECOMMENDED!)[/B] @Stare even if Freeman was to retire, I would never announce his forfeit prior to video release, because this is not fair to other participants. x1213 would have been able to relax, which means he would have gotten unfair advantage for round 3. This is why Minwoo's injury was not announced before the videos were out.
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 19:17:24
@Zombo Are you going to post your analysis of this round just like in the previous WT? I always found them very interesting reads. :)
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 19:27:32
I dunno, last year they complained about it :/ --- post your opinions?
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 20:09:59
winners of The rounds I care about in my opinion: vic beat fire@fox hal beat baaron smile and EK tie supawit beat nz snow beat (whoever got wrecked)
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 20:12:49
Kirby wrote: winners of The rounds I care about in my opinion: vic beat fire@fox hal beat baaron smile and EK tie supawit beat nz snow beat (whoever got wrecked)
Oh look, there goes his previous prediction. Amazing. Also, ocha did in no way get wrecked. Any real analysis coming from you, maybe? -
Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 20:48:02
Here's my judging, please remember I'm just a beginner, these are just my opinions. A kin vs ctionist Kin most definitely, that index finger still holds its cuteness. x1213 vs Freeman x1213, his combo was just better... Sorry for freeman's hurt fingers, nice new concepts though. Raeik vs Fratleym I'll have to say Fratleym, just because I'm a fanboy. HAL vs Baaron Baaron had a lot better links imo, HAL's style doesn't appeal TO ME. Sister_R vs Tose I liked Tose's combo a lot more, his ender was insane, like his last one. Sister_R is good, but his style, TO ME, doesn't appeal too much. s777 vs ASIn s777 most likely, he'll have some good stuff for the next round I hope. snow vs ocha They were both AMAZING, but snow seemed a bit stronger with those stylish transfers. Supawit127 vs Nz They were both insane on the difficulty bar, but Supawit127 will probably win... I'm still so angry that they had to be put together. B ponkotu vs Rex I'm a fan of both, but I'd say Ponkotu. Vicgotgame vs Fire@Fox I'm a fan of both, but Vic's combo was just stronger. BaiMai vs Wah They were both amazing, but Wah had more difficulty, such as the TP 1-4 (inv 24?) deathfish vs Minzian Both good, but I think deathfish's difficulty will make him win. Tigeroat vs Sponge I enjoyed them both, but I think Sponge will win, due to his great links. Rhetoric vs Mesi I don't know much about both, but I'll say Mesi because of his smoothness, and (I think)palm down fingerless thumbaround. Eriror vs Smile I'm a fan of both, especially Smile's great links, but his difficulty isn't that high, so I'd have to say Eriror. Lekunga vs A13x Hard one for me, but Lekunga's angle and style appealed more to me. REMEMBER: This is a beginner's opinion.
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 21:55:28
Alright guys, obviously this is purely opinion based. However, I hope all the spinners the best for the next rounds if they do make it. These guys are amazing regardless^^ A [B]kin[/B] vs ctionist I would have to say kin, i loved his triangle pass this time around too, considering it went the other direction. [B]x1213[/B] vs Freeman Well, Freeman simply pwned my brain again. But overall, x1213 [B]Raeik[/B] vs Fratleym Its quite a shame to have 2 FPSB spinners battle off, FPSB is one of the communities who I really loved to watch. Anyhow, Raeik really stood out for me. HAL vs [B]Baaron[/B] Here we go again, UPSB <33, but truly I really think Baaron should move on, the presentation (contrast between black background/ white pen, looks amazing) Baaron gets my vote. [B]Sister_R[/B] vs Tose Sister is taking this one s777 vs [B]ASIn[/B] Ok im not going to lie, but ASin might have a chance. s777's combo looked slightly weaker than the one he had in FPSB's 4th. I will have to cast my vote to ASin. Oh btw, why did s777 get so many negative feedback on this youtube video?? snow vs [B]ocha [/B] This is perhaps my favourite battle. I loved both of their combos. Snow, I think someone said that the combo reminded them of Minwoo and Pyralux. I agree with that, it was quite amazing. As for Ocha, your combo stood out alot for me ^^ I dont know how long it took you to pull that off, it was toooo sickkk! I give this one to ocha though, too close of a match up for me. [B]Supawit127[/B] vs Nz Uhh 1p2h epic shitt from Supawit! I vote him. But once again, 2 spinners from thailand battling if off B ponkotu vs [B]Rex [/B] I really enjoyed Rex's combo, ponkotu's looked like something freeman would do xDD. [B]Vicgotgame[/B] vs Fire@Fox Both of these combos were very nice, but I would have to pick VGG on this one. BaiMai vs [B]Wah[/B] Wah reminds me of kin ALOT, gah I loved it! [B]deathfish [/B] vs Minzian Very close once again, both were nicely executed. Deathfish stood out more for me though Tigeroat vs [B]Sponge [/B] Yep go sponge^^ [B]Rhetoric[/B] vs Mesi Maddd proper, Rhetoric's combo was very,very fast xD. Loved it! [B]Eriror[/B] vs Smile gogogogogogogo ERIROR!!!!!!! Lekunga vs [B]A13x [/B] Impressive combo's both of you!! I would love for you both to make it through, but sadly that cannot be the case. A13x was one of my favourite spinners from the start of this tournament, so with my gut feeling, I would have to choose him. BOTH COMBOS WERE NAICE!! K I did get a bit lazy near the end, sorry :( But yeah here are my predictions^^
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 22:20:08
Light wrote: Oh btw, why did s777 get so many negative feedback on this youtube video??
i caused this. but this is a personal conflict, that you people don't know the full story. =/ A pathetic thing yeah... As much as s777 side than my side. But that doesn't affect WT. ^^ -
Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 22:34:23
Gisele 8 wrote: A pathetic thing yeah... As much as s777 side than my side.
Well actually it is only a pathetic thing on your side as we don't know the whole story. Why are you doing this then? If s777 did something bad, you are not getting back on him with this, you are ruining your own image. -
Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 22:55:26
taichi1082 wrote: Well actually it is only a pathetic thing on your side as we don't know the whole story. Why are you doing this then? If s777 did something bad, you are not getting back on him with this, you are ruining your own image.
my own image? are you serious? XD man i don't fkin care on the other hand, s777... ^^ and that's exactly why i did this. as he reacted like a kid to my negative feedback on the first upload, (sending me youtube-mp saying gtfo and stuff), i just had some fun putting no 1 dislike, but 200. see? edit: he sure is a good penspinner, maybe the best, but he became that big-headed kid that can't accept any dislike, thinking he's a god or something brat, you're just spinning a stick -
Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 23:13:43
Both of you are stupid, but you're still the most.
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 23:18:13
[B]kin[/B] vs ctionist This battle came out just as expected, haha. kin's combo was just insane... he never fails to impress with that mx mastery. His spinning just shows such a high level in all aspects of pen spinning... the only thing he can possibly improve is his style. ctionist was also just as expected. He did an insanely difficult combo with his typical jerkiness. ctionist reminds me a bit of Ayatori... but with less style and more difficulty. Valiant effort, but kin takes this one by a noticeable margin I think. [B]x1213[/B] vs Freeman A bit of recycled material from x1213, but that wiper release was pretty fresh. Overall a great combo with flawless execution. Freeman brought out those fingercrosses as expected, but unfortunately sloppy execution cost him the battle. x1213 wins by a landslide. [B]Raeik[/B] vs Fratleym Wasn't super impressed by either combo, but Raeik was a bit stronger imo. I really like how smoothly he executes his tricks and how perfectly he does those spiderspin-like tricks. Stumbled a bit on that ringbak though. Frat gave some nice stuff, but I feel that his spinning is a bit old-fashioned. His strange finger positioning no longer has the effect it used to, with newer spinners like Fire@Fox doing even crazier stuff. HAL vs [B]Baaron[/B] I liked HAL's combo better. Baaron's combo was technically stronger. I have to give the win to Baaron. But no surprise if HAL ends up winning. It's a really close battle between two combos that I really liked. Baaron had better linkages, more difficulty, but you can't argue with HAL's execution and style. The ability to make arounds and passes look so amazing is something I really respect. [B]Sister_R[/B] vs Tose Another great battle with two amazing combos. Sister_R's combo had enough surprising variety to make me realize that it's not recycled. That's usually my problem with Sister_R... all his combos feel the same. But this one was one of my favorite combos from him. I really like the reverse shadow and short wiper sequence... it really changed the pace of the combo up nicely. Tose was equally amazing in a more flamboyant way... the finisher reminded me of Crew, but overall definitely not as spammy. Seeing how flawless Sister_R's execution was though, I think Sister will win it. [B]s777[/B] vs ASIn This battle was a pleasant surprise; ASIn put up much more of a fight than I expected. He actually has a realistic shot at winning. Overall, the combo was almost flawlessly executed (apart from that midbak 1.5) and the structure reminded me of SEVEN. ASIn converted me into his fan in these two rounds, and in my heart I really want ASIn to win. But he's up against s777, who's a beast. s777 had a slightly more difficult combo and just flawless execution, basically one-upping ASIn slightly in every way. But the margin of victory isn't that big. [B]snow[/B] vs ocha snow was pure art. Nobody has mastered the ability to make a combo more appealing without touching the pen than snow. Aesthetically, I thought it was the most beautiful combo the entire round. It's not lacking in difficulty either, and the execution was absolutely flawless. ocha's was nice too, it was very interesting and made me lol, but the difficulty/execution were no joke (feel like a broken record xD). It's too bad snow was the opponent, honestly. [B]Supawit[/B] vs Nz Went just as expected. Supawit continues to show that he's not just power, and that he's still in contention for #1. That continuous power pass was really sexy and done perfectly. Nz gave the usual... power tricks with perfect control. But that's not enough to beat Supawit. He really got overshadowed. [B]ponkotu[/B] vs Rex Very interesting battle. Ponkotu had a pretty short combo, but that's justified because of how concise it was. He did so many insane stuff in such a short amount of time; to me, that's true mastery of pen spinning. There was no spam at all. Appearance-wise, there could be improvement, but Ponkotu really impresses me with his technical prowess. Rex had a really nice combo as well, showing some great linkages and great style. That powerpass was even sexier than Supawit's imo. I really disliked the one sequence where he caught the pen palm down consecutively though... it seemed badly executed and threw off the overall pace. I think Ponkotu wins this. [B]Vicgotgame[/B] vs Fire@Fox All I can say is: what a shame. And that is directed to Fire@Fox. He definitely deserves to make it very far, that was such a sick combo. Every hybrid Fire@Fox did impressed me, the highlight obviously being that strange triangle pass (was it a square pass he called it?), just such an impressive combo. His improvement from last year is just great. Vic, however, provided the more complete package with links and power, which I feel awards him more based on the judging system. Both spinners had just perfect execution... it really is a shame. [B]BaiMai[/B] vs Wah Wah is the most underrated spinner this round. I think he can improve the overall presentation in his spinning... it seems to lack something in that area, but the stuff he did was pretty darn impressive. BaiMai, I felt had the stronger combo overall. His skills with his left hand is pretty impressive. I used to dislike his spinning, but he's definitely improved a lot this year. deathfish vs [B]Minzian[/B] deathfish has a feel-good combo, with nothing really special in linkages but obvious mastery of power and good looking tricks. Minzian had the more complex spinning, a higher level overall. Reminds me a bit of the HAL vs Baaron battle, but on a lower level. Tigeroat vs [B]Sponge[/B] Tigeroat is pretty darn impressive, but I always feel there’s something missing in his spinning… I think it’s style. He’s just one of those spinners that I enjoy their breakdown more than their actual spinning. Sponge continues to prove that he is world class… those linkages are pretty incredible. Honestly, I’m not a fan of his style either, but there is a distinct style nevertheless, and a great combo. Rhetoric vs [B]Mesi[/B] Two combos I really enjoyed (I’m a JEB fanboy anyways). Mesi was short but packed with great linkages, though I feel that the difficulty wasn’t out of this world, and overall it just felt short. It was missing something, though it was impressive. Rhetoric was technically perfect, but he recycled so many things from R1. All of the noticeable highlights of his combo were either identical to or a very slight variation of those in his R1 combo. I think Mesi wins, but he needs to step it up if he wants to get past another round. I know he’s capable of it. [B]Eriror[/B] vs Smile Smile’s spinning is just so controlled and smooth, and his links have an appearance of intricacy. I don’t know how he does this. I thought the battle was a matter of how perfectly Eriror could execute his combo, and fortunately for him, it was pretty flawless. Eriror had better eyecandy factor, and the combo itself is a bit more difficult imo. [B]Lekunga[/B] vs A13X This one’s really tough to decide. Lekunga proving to be a dark horse. I liked Lekunga’s combo better… but A13X seemed to have a more technically impressive combo. Appearance is so far playing a bigger role in the results than the other WT’s and WC’s, so I’ll have to lean towards Lekunga.
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Date: Mon, Feb 28 2011 05:59:01
my predictions: kin vs ction --> [B]kin [/B]wins (god of mx, control and skills are so insane...ction's combo is also insanely hard, but control is not that good, as expected) x1213 vs freeman --> [B]x1213 [/B]wins (if freeman's finger wasn't injured, i wouldn't be sure...but difference in execution and appeal is not inconsiderable) raeik vs fratleym --> [B]raeik [/B]wins HAL vs Baaron --> baaron should win (creativity and difficulty are way above hal's level, hal's appeal is slightly greater....but judges seem to have slight favoritism towards hal, so i think hal will win -.-) Sister_R vs Tose --> [B]Sister_R[/B], while sister's combo looks similar, he pulled out quite a lot of new links; Tose was also very good with usage of twisted cobra bite/swivel variations, but ending lost a bit of control s777 vs ASIn --> [B]s777 [/B]wins, his links and difficulty are too great. that being said, ASIn's combo was very nice too (cool style xD) snow vs ocha --> [B]snow [/B]wins, amazing 1p2h and style+transfers, very beautiful combo. ocha's performance was interesting and reminded me of ponkotu in WC10 supawit vs Nz --> [B]supawit [/B]wins, 1p2h in combination with power (loved transfer at 0:10 and left hand to pun kan on right). Nz's combo was pretty typical, quite strong but supawit is....supawit =__= ponkotu vs rex --> [B]rex [/B]wins, crazy wipers and linkages; ponkotu's links were probably of higher difficulty, but not enough material in short combo to beat rex vicgotgame vs fire@fox --> [B]vic [/B]wins, killer finisher, wipers, style etc...fire@fox's triangle pass and sonic variations made my fingers hurt from thinking of the flexibility required to do them, genius...no spam in his combo at all, but vic's appeal and structure are better, pity they had to face each other in r2 =\ baimai vs wah --> [B]baimai [/B]wins, nice spinless? usage and left hand ending probably can't be done by anyone else atm. wah's mx spinning and creativity are great, insane too deathfish vs minzian --> [B]minzian [/B]wins, deathfish's combo was good, but nothing that stand-out about it...minzian's combo is very impressive tigeroat vs sponge --> [B]sponge [/B]wins, linkages are superior; tigeroat's baks and style are nice though rhetoric vs mesi --> [B]mesi [/B]wins, crazy linkages in that combo, rhetoric recycle quite a lot of material, whereas mesi's combo feels more fresh (albeit a bit short) eriror vs smile --> [B]eriror [/B]wins, smile's style seems a bit more appealing, but Eriror's difficulty and innovation of linkages puts him at an advantage lekunga vs A13X --> [B]A13X [/B]wins, lekunga's combo was more visually appealing slightly, but A13X's once again proves he is the god of baks, difficulty is quite far above lekunga's
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Date: Mon, Feb 28 2011 07:19:59
Gisele 8 wrote: my own image? are you serious? XD man i don't fkin care on the other hand, s777... ^^ and that's exactly why i did this. as he reacted like a kid to my negative feedback on the first upload, (sending me youtube-mp saying gtfo and stuff), i just had some fun putting no 1 dislike, but 200. see? edit: he sure is a good penspinner, maybe the best, but he became that big-headed kid that can't accept any dislike, thinking he's a god or something brat, you're just spinning a stick
brat? kid? i dunno. having the nerve to dislike a vid 200 times, you seem to be the one being the annoying irritable and jealous kid to me :/ and arnt you the one whos calling everyone a newb who does not understand his style? bragging about your own spinning as unique and revolutionary...i finished my evolution in penspinning because i can do now ALL i ever wanted, especially doing freestyle in perfect sync. on the musics i like, what you people (with some VERY RARE exceptions,) will still need YEARS to learn.
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1lnIRf1dbs (oh and it seems that youve disabled ratings on this vid....i thought you loved dislikes ;] ) as oppose to s777 who ive rarely seen on a youtube vid brag about his on vids. you seem to be the one with some god complex, putting others down and putting youself up. and in conclusion, we have s777 probably going to make it to round 3 and round 4, and you knocked out. because of this s777... has at least proven some right to appear superior to you and your ratings in someway, where as [B]i dont know what the hell you are doing[/B]. -
Date: Mon, Feb 28 2011 07:27:14
neoknux_009 wrote: brat? kid? i dunno. having the nerve to dislike a vid 200 times, you seem to be the one being the annoying irritable and jealous kid to me :/ and arnt you the one whos calling everyone a newb who does not understand his style? bragging about your own spinning as unique and revolutionary... - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1lnIRf1dbs (oh and it seems that youve disabled ratings on this vid....i thought you loved dislikes ;] ) as oppose to s777 who ive rarely seen on a youtube vid brag about his on vids. you seem to be the one with some god complex, putting others down and putting youself up. and in conclusion, we have s777 probably going to make it to round 3 and round 4, and you knocked out. because of this s777... has at least proven some right to appear superior to you and your ratings in someway, where as [B]i dont know what the hell you are doing[/B].
i respect gisele as a spinner, hes very skilled and his style is quite unique, but i do think this is very childish.. just let it die gisele! keep your respect as a spinner -
Date: Mon, Feb 28 2011 07:36:38
Hex;63314]vic vs fire@fox is going to be epic.[/QUOTE] i wish it was more epic to vic then it really is..... [QUOTE=Gisele 8 wrote: my own image? are you serious? XD man i don't fkin care on the other hand, s777... ^^ and that's exactly why i did this. as he reacted like a kid to my negative feedback on the first upload, (sending me youtube-mp saying gtfo and stuff), i just had some fun putting no 1 dislike, but 200. see? edit: he sure is a good penspinner, maybe the best, but he became that big-headed kid that can't accept any dislike, thinking he's a god or something brat, you're just spinning a stick
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Date: Mon, Feb 28 2011 08:39:45
Woah you guys are nice with my video, people all get mad at me at FPSB ahah Actually, I'm working now and I don't have as much as time for PS as before. This video was actually made for a collab (when it's WT I do different ending signs :) ) As I have a bad cam, I need to shoot during daylight otherwise quality sucks. I thought I would have all the saturday to shoot but I had to leave for personal reasons. And, as I respect the rules, I gave this video that I know Raeik would litterally kill me because of the deadline. I only regret not to have shown my true skills here, I really think I could have made the same video 3 years ago. Sorry for that guys, it's entirely my fault Anyway, Raeik is a killer spinner and he really deserves to go far
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Date: Mon, Feb 28 2011 08:46:50
sorry to hear that but nice to hear from you frat. thanks for staying active in the psning community. hope it stays that way!
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Date: Mon, Feb 28 2011 11:20:29
As I get no response at youtube... @BaiMai - Please upload the true raw file of your camera (not converted or edited in any way!) to a OCH of your choice. The file you uploaded on youtube is even more suspicious than your actual submission. In order to ensure a fair judging process I would like to see a more solid prove that your clip does not contain a cut.
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Date: Mon, Feb 28 2011 17:59:50
@Zombo nuuuuu, I liked reading your analysis on the spinners. R2 was crazyyyy.
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Date: Mon, Feb 28 2011 23:52:36
Erirornal Kraione wrote: Oh look, there goes his previous prediction. Amazing. Also, ocha did in no way get wrecked. Any real analysis coming from you, maybe?
Am I not allowed to change my predictions after seeing the videos? I'm pretty sure a lot of people make guesses based on knowledge of spinner, previous rounds, etc; then may revise or change their guess upon seeing the video. Also, by stating that snow wrecked whoever he faced, that implies that I have no idea who he faced but I thought his video was pretty fucking amazing. And lol, I have better things to do than write a whole analysis. -
Date: Tue, Mar 1 2011 01:24:55
s777 owns the tourney! And how about snow??
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Date: Tue, Mar 1 2011 02:42:34
freeman got pwned.
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Date: Tue, Mar 1 2011 03:05:01
neoknux_009 wrote: brat? kid? i dunno. having the nerve to dislike a vid 200 times, you seem to be the one being the annoying irritable and jealous kid to me :/ and arnt you the one whos calling everyone a newb who does not understand his style? bragging about your own spinning as unique and revolutionary... - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1lnIRf1dbs (oh and it seems that youve disabled ratings on this vid....i thought you loved dislikes ;] ) as oppose to s777 who ive rarely seen on a youtube vid brag about his on vids. you seem to be the one with some god complex, putting others down and putting youself up. and in conclusion, we have s777 probably going to make it to round 3 and round 4, and you knocked out. because of this s777... has at least proven some right to appear superior to you and your ratings in someway, where as [B]i dont know what the hell you are doing[/B].
Lol? I highly doubt Gisele made 200 youtube accounts to dislike a video. The 200 dislikes are from 200 people who clicked dislike, I myself was one of them. -
Date: Tue, Mar 1 2011 03:17:54
poisoned wrote: Lol? I highly doubt Gisele made 200 youtube accounts to dislike a video. The 200 dislikes are from 200 people who clicked dislike, I myself was one of them.
Maybe he didn't make 200, but do you really think 200, or even near 200 people would dislike a video made by s777? It's s777 man, there are tons of people who revere him and would like anything he put out even if it's subpar. -
Date: Tue, Mar 1 2011 04:05:52
afaik, he posted the link on a random forum asking ppl to dislike; classic 4chanish attack.
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Date: Tue, Mar 1 2011 04:06:59
poisoned wrote: Lol? I highly doubt Gisele made 200 youtube accounts to dislike a video. The 200 dislikes are from 200 people who clicked dislike, I myself was one of them.
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Date: Tue, Mar 1 2011 22:34:55
Zombo wrote: afaik, he posted the link on a random forum asking ppl to dislike; classic 4chanish attack.
ahhhhhhhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhaha -
Date: Wed, Mar 2 2011 02:05:18
my favorites: HAL, kin, supawit127, vicgotgame, and eriror
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Date: Wed, Mar 2 2011 08:40:19
Kirby wrote: No offence but I don't like watching freeman or fratlym. I feel that whenever someone throws something creative in their combo; whether it's cool and looks decent, or not, everyone gets all orgasmy and thinks theyre amazing. Like fratlym: he looks like I gave a old man a pen for a week and showd him wiper tutorials, the shit is just ugly. And yah, it was a little creative and diffucult, but the shit is ugly, and doesn't look like a WT spinner. Like did you see his just normal (non creative spinning), it was pretty pathetic. Freeman can still spin decently ok without his creativity, but it's still just very unapealing. I feel ponkotu (who i still think is slightly overrated) is one of the only (if not the only) spinners who can pull off insane creativity, with still a decent looking combo. And the finger injury: meh, If you're going to submit while being injured, props to you; but don't announce, or blame the poor combo based on that injury. I really hope fratlym gets knocked out. Also Raiek's (or whatever order of those 3 vowels his name has) angle and spinning reminds me a lot of xspin
I think a lot of spinners don't know a lot about what it means to be considered a "great" spinner. Typically, spinners will dislike another spinner for having bad "style" ACCORDING TO THEM. They tend to classify them as a "bad" spinner. However, if many people happen to love the spinner, the person that dislikes the spinner, tend to think: "i dont understand why everyone loves his/her spinning, its so bad". Something along those lines. Why does this happen? Because "style" is relative, meaning that everyone has their own DIFFERENT opinion about it. So then, is that spinner only "good" to some people but "bad" to others? The same goes with Creativity. Many people love creativity. Bonkura is a perfect example. However, many people can also dislike creativity. An example would be Ponkotu's barrel roll trick. Many people think its great and super creative, while others think it shouldn't be considered a pen spinning trick. Or maybe...creativity is sometimes too simple or too weird. What i think many spinners should understand is, just because a spinner has a "bad" style does that mean that they are a BAD spinner. Same goes with Creativity, Speed, and Smoothness. Many people think that, the faster you spin, the better you are. Or the smoother you spin, the better you are. Of course we all know that isn't true. You don't have to agree with me on this part. Personally, i think what makes a spinner "great" is not creativity, speed, style, or smoothness. It's Originality and Difficulty. Now some of you guys are probably like, DIFFICULTY?!?!?WHAT?NO WAY! Wait, hear me out first. Yes, I think difficulty is what makes a spinner "great". Why? I'm sure you guys will all agree with me that...if you want to get good at ANYTHING, not only pen spinning, its going to take lots of practice and work. Practice and work is DIFFICULT. But thats just the beginning. How this applies to pen spinning...it doesn't necessarily mean that the combo needs to LITERALLY be difficult to attempt. It's coming up with the NEW tricks which make it difficult. If a spinner shows tricks, hybrids, links that has never been done before, that is considered difficult, to me. Of course this is linked to my other thing, Originality. Originality is doing something that has not been done before/or that has been done very little. That is hard. It takes a lot to do something that's never been done before. A perfect example that i always love to explain is Spinnerpeem. Many people don't like Spinnerpeem because everything he does is power/FL tricks. Power tricks are everywhere it seems like right? And after a while, it gets boring right? Everyone is doing them so they're not really special anymore. This probably only applies to everyone but Spinnerpeem. I think that Spinnerpeem is the only POWER spinner that shouldn't be terribly criticized about the large amounts of power tricks in his combo. Why? BECAUSE HE IS THE ONE THAT OPEN THE DOOR TO POWER TRICKS. He created a whole new type of pen spinning. Most of his tricks are created by him. And he continues to create even more. It is original which makes it difficult. Please take note that i have been using the world "GREAT". There is a huge difference between a "GREAT" spinner and a "GOOD" spinner. A "good" spinner i believe is someone that does have appealing style (to the majority of viewers), consistency, smoothness(if thats apart of their style), Speed or low speed, large trick bank, literal difficulty ect...But of course we all know that all those are relative to the viewers. Also take note the difference between creativity and originally. Like i said before, originality is something new or relatively new. However, not all creativity is original. I can do a barrel roll in one of my combos. I would be considered creative, but Ponkotu has already done it so its not really original. There is also a thing i like to call "original creativity" but im sure you can understand what that is based on what i've explained so far. So going back to what you were saying, Kirby. Even if you don't like Fratleym's or Freemans style or crativity, don't think that they are bad spinners (based on your confusion why you think everyone gets all orgasmy for creative tricks.) Like i said, creativity is relative. You many not like their spinning, but don't assume everyone should agree with you. And also, you use the "no offence" phrase but describe their spinning as "shit is just ugly" "pretty pathetic"...Those are not really no offense descriptions... -
Date: Wed, Mar 2 2011 21:23:11
@TEK , I'm not going go quote all of that, but your right on the no offence stuff. I started off intending to more say I dislike it, and lol it went downhill and got a lil bit more feisty. And it's not only that I don't like their style, it's that I honestly don't think that the combo is WT quality. Like I love (more of a like, slightly above average in my likeness) Ponkotu. And, he has somewhat similar styles to Freeman and Fratelym (ish). And I do think some creativity is very nice and makes a combo way better. But I still don't think Freeman's or Fratelym's creativity is good looking, or WT quality. The only thing is really has going for it is originality and difficulty (coincidentally your 2 characteristics of a great spinner XD). And then I look at the "meat" of Fratelym's combo and it's just...bad (IMO I guess), like I said the combo looked like if I gave a kid a mod and for a week and links to wiper tutorials (awful grammar). But, meh, I guess you could be right with your everyone has their own taste. But I still do hate both of the combo's and disagree with the fact that it is WT rd. 2 quality.
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Date: Fri, Mar 4 2011 21:54:29
missing just a few more judges hoping to release results tonight as I will be busy all day tomorrow. if not, then it will be tomorrow night. most of the battles outcome is already decided, no matter what the last few judges decide.