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General Discussion / What is style?
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Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 05:24:25
What is style? What makes certain spinners look unique while doing the same tricks as others? How do you develop style? What makes a "good-looking" hand? Do nails take a crucial part in style? @Ayaku that, in order to have better looking spinning, you hide the fingers you aren't using. Which seems to be true, but then what makes a person stylish at a non-ideal angle? Is it because we know their style well, so we ignore the imperfections? I've noticed that blurring the imperfections on your hands can make your style seem better, which is my theory of why JEB spinners have more pen spinning appeal. All JEB spinners seem to often use a low-quality camera. But, is it even that important to develop a style if you can't showcase it in different angles? I've searched on UPSB, there doesn't seem to be an official discussion on this important aspect of pen spinning that everyone who's watched enough videos can easily see.
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Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 05:45:22
Style is how you live your life and the embodiment of your own personality. In term of PS, the movesets you like to use, every single movement that your fingers make when you perform a trick, the theme of the environment around you or the setups when you film and what you wear, pens you spin, those make up the style What makes a good-looking hand - A feminine one. Like, you know, if you have been watching enough porn. There are stuff like foot jobs or hand fetish going on around. Did you also know that Megan Fox has brachydactyly, a condition which makes her thumb clubbed? But that is totally unrelated to the topic. So, I guess a pink one with long fingers. It's like, a common behavior of minds or a common trait. Know what I'm saying? :mellow: Do nails take a crucial part in style - Yeah, why not. I mean, PS is all about your hand. It's not usually a stage performance thing, so any changes applied to your hand would be very visible. I don't like when people put a lot of shit on their hands though. Like, color gloves or ridiculous amount of accessories. It will draw people's attention to those things instead, and not your spinning. So, take everything in moderation. I suggest just you know, be yourself. Tell the world about who you are. Experience new things to see what you really like and fits you the most. And that makes up you. Overall, a pretty neat feature in Pen Spinning. [and of course, life]
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Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 07:25:12
Juminuwo is style
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Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 08:50:55
gash is style serious answer: By definition, style is 'how you spin', so everybody has a style. Then 'developing style' is 'developing how you spin'. The word 'developing' implies that some ways of spinning are better than others. Over the years, style has developed a connotation of a certain kind of spinning that a group of experienced spinners have decided as a superior kind of spinning. Whether you want to develop style in this sense depends entirely on whether you agree with this viewpoint. Clearly it doesn't make sense to develop your spinning this way if you don't genuinely think that this kind of spinning is the coolest. One isn't told what is good looking pen spinning. One realizes on his own what is good looking pen spinning. And I think you come to this realization by watching lots of pen spinning videos.
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Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 11:15:19
the only acceptable style [video=youtube;9bZkp7q19f0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0[/video]
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Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 12:06:41
im not necessarily saying upsb spinning lacks style... but the presentation of combos is lacking, and as a result the style cannot be appreciated. Why is it that JaPen 4th is more appealing than say UPSB 3rd? What is lacking here? [B]Certainly not difficulty[/B]. and also, Certainly not a sense of unique creative Spinning But a once you start realizing how professional everything is in their combos... they take pride in craft...they take into consideration the audience. Clean desks. Its beautiful. Once we lack the beauty of pen spinning...what is the point? At the same time their is the chance we all become too generic... like some boards...>.> im not going to mention them here. Indeed is hard to say...but Japan found this a long time ago.
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Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 14:53:24
people say that there are many factors for what people say "style"(by that i mean there are many perspectives in terms of style), but i think presentation is the [B]most[/B] important factor of penspinning. After all, you are recording videos, whats a video without decent presentation?By presentation there are 2 parts to it. [B]Execution[/B] This is like asking, "which one looks better, a combo with low difficulty with high execution, or a combo with high difficulty with low execution?" Execution is ESSENTIAL to a penspinning combo, without it its not pen spinning anymore. Basically saying, don't make mistakes for a perfect execution. However by perfect execution, that doesn't always mean that every link has to be executed at the same speed. This is when "style," the way people spins(as @casual mentioned), comes in. People spin in different ways, meaning their timings of each link, or direction change, etc. differ for each spinner. Have two spinners spin the same links, but the way they execute their combo, or their "style" is different. [B]Environment[/B] This includes, lighting, angle, camera quality, and background. Lighting is not that important as others, unless ur lighting is either very bright or dark. Angle is very important, changing a slight degree can change the whole aspect of ur spinning. Camera quality, you can set your camera (webcam) in any focus, but 30fps is required for a good-looking smooth combo. If you want a decent camera and don't have access to output cameras, then a digital camera with 30 fps would be good for you. Background may not sound as important as it is, but it actually is important. For instance, you are spinning a white pen in a white background and a black background. In this case, the black background is better, because it "fits" with the background. These two differences can easily change the way people look at your spinning. Basically saying, spin the way you want, but with good presentation
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Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 15:08:48
I cbb to write a whole paragraph or more on this so I will attempt answer this question in a precise sentence. Style, in pen spinning sense, is the way in which a spinner presents their spinning that makes their spinning aesthetically unique.
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Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 16:35:12
Styke is the way in which something is said, done, expressed, or performed. End.
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Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 16:43:10
Eshor wrote: Styke is the way in which something is said, done, expressed, or performed. End.
If that is what styke is, then what is style? -
Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 17:16:20
style is a form of identity. its what makes your spinning yours. and yes it not only includes spinning but also presentation. using an analogy, think of it as a way of life. how the japanses live every aspect of their life, from families to jobs to beliefs, all give the japanese their identity. this japanese culture can be emulated by foreigners who like it in their own respective countries. similarly, every single aspect of japanese style, low quality cameras, style of tricks etc can be copied by foreigners from other boards should they desire to. it is when you see this that you first think "oh, this guy is probably from jeb". this also applies to old school koreans and when power style was seen as the thai style there are also things that identify you as an individual, such as your set up, your pens, preferred method of spinning etc that allows people to identify you easily. examples are like fel2fram, vicgotgame etc. this can also be emulated by others style is a combination of the two above. normally we tend to focus more on emulating the first when it comes to style, while perfecting the second over time. both can affect each other my language is kinda bad
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Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 18:34:24
If this is what style is, then what makes a "good" style? What kind of finger positions make it look good in general?
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Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 20:34:11
HobbyLogics wrote: If this is what style is, then what makes a "good" style? What kind of finger positions make it look good in general?
That's an interesting question. Even though good style is supposed to be a matter of opinion, it seems like we have developed a general agreement on properties that make up beautiful spinning. This is just my personal opinion, but good style usually has 4 qualities: excellent control over the pen, aesthetically pleasing combo structure (doesn't feel too crammed or unbalanced), some peculiarity to the spinning that gives it personality, and a pleasing to look at angle/background. Of course, people are free to disagree with this, it's just my viewpoint. I'm not too sure if there are rigid rules to how you should move your fingers or whatever. I guess if it works, it works. I think there are many ways to go about it. -
Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 22:19:05
In the most shallow sense, good style includes nails and feminine hands. Although, it's proven wrong in some cases of spinners who never keep nails long but have a good style. Then when developing style, I wonder, is it really bad to spin buster when you start learning tricks then? People like MKSFT and TBG have disproved that, but other people tend to relax their hand too much, showing relaxed bent fingers often when they're spinning. Which is the reason why I always would not recommend spinning busters, although it is their choice in the long run. In my opinion, if you spin the most ugly of everyone, then the only thing to do is to make your spinning have the most ridiculous crazy linkages in the world. Style doesn't have a full solid definition in the pen spinning community as far as I know, lots of people would say that everyone has style. Or is style something you have when your style actually begins to develop? Many people say along the lines of this spinner got style recently.
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Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 22:32:55
i find that if someones style is "ugly" its because they are lacking in another aspect of their spinning. for example, someone may have an ugly setup (background/pen/lighting/camera) or they may just have poor execution and control. as far as what is good style... people should not be moving their arm/elbow unless it is necessary to complete the trick. the same goes for the wrist to some extent. it shows better control and it doest seem as much like you are "reaching" for a style. idk... i dont really know anything.
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Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 22:53:40
A spinner with good style is simply a spinner who's way of spinning appeals to you in a non-technical aspect. That being said, the word 'style' describes almost everything in pen spinning. It's how you do tricks/linkages, pacing, what tricks/linkages you tend to do, the setting, everything. That might be part of the reason we don't have a solid definition for style as we do for difficulty, execution (in the most technical sense), other terms. The word itself describes so many things that it doesn't carry any significant meaning. It's simply a word we use to compliment a spinner whenever we like the effect their videos have on us.
In my opinion, if you spin the most ugly of everyone, then the only thing to do is to make your spinning have the most ridiculous crazy linkages in the world.
I don't understand this rationale. The point of pen spinning (I think) is to spin in a way that satisfies you. If you think your own spinning is ugly, then you have a goal to reach. Why would you give up on that goal and continue spinning in a way that you think is ugly? I understand if you spin to have ridiculous crazy linkages because such spinning appeals to you and is closer to your ideal, but if it doesn't and you think it's ugly, why keep spinning like that? -
Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 23:21:54
so have to clean my desk in order to show style..... wonderful....
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Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 23:22:33
casual wrote: I don't understand this rationale. The point of pen spinning (I think) is to spin in a way that satisfies you. If you think your own spinning is ugly, then you have a goal to reach. Why would you give up on that goal and continue spinning in a way that you think is ugly? I understand if you spin to have ridiculous crazy linkages because such spinning appeals to you and is closer to your ideal, but if it doesn't and you think it's ugly, why keep spinning like that?
True, but I believe that some people's hands aren't ever meant to have a good looking style. I meant that in the sense of someone who cannot change the fact that their hands are just genetically not that appealing. In the case that everyone can develop a better style, then I completely agree with you. Which raises the debate of if it is true that not everyone can change their style, no matter how much they try. -
Date: Sun, Dec 1 2013 23:42:16
HobbyLogics wrote: True, but I believe that some people's hands aren't ever meant to have a good looking style. I meant that in the sense of someone who cannot change the fact that their hands are just genetically not that appealing. In the case that everyone can develop a better style, then I completely agree with you. Which raises the debate of if it is true that not everyone can change their style, no matter how much they try.
You can't change your hand, but you can change how you use your hand. And that's what's most important. Very few people with good style today were born with it. Style is something you can work on, just like any other aspect of pen spinning. It's a tedious process, but it's part of the journey as a pen spinner. It's definitely something that can be practiced and improved upon. -
Date: Mon, Dec 2 2013 01:06:00
neoknux_009 wrote: im not necessarily saying upsb spinning lacks style... but the presentation of combos is lacking, and as a result the style cannot be appreciated.
Ye like @eurocracy 's combos hahaha hahahaha -
Date: Mon, Dec 2 2013 19:12:29
Oh boy, guess I'll mix up in this as well. What is style? This has been a question for years now. Some people think that style is something that you have to work towards to. I don't necessarily agree with this statement. I believe that every spinner who knows how to construct a basic combo has a certain sense of style, even if it is not consciously. Everyone has a certain trick preference; a certain way they do a specific linkage, a motion that they like. All of this is a part of his or her style. For me, style is the way you spin. It’s nothing more than that. This includes everything, the pen that you use, your trickbase, the syntaxis of your combos, what appears a lot, what tricks you emphasize. Part of this overlaps with presentation as well but I believe that is a different subject altogether. Of course now that there is a ‘definition’ of style, what makes a good style? First and foremost (for me) it has to do with smoothness and control. These are the main guidelines for any pen-spinner. It is really hard to have a big audience who enjoys your spinning if there are a lot of mistakes, a lot of places where it looks like the pen just slips out of your hands for a splitsecond. From that point onwards you can look at handmotion, at what point your finger stretches and when you should just tuck it in instead. But maybe someone’s style is to not put emphasis on anything! Does this count as a good style? Is it just mediocre? Who decides, the majority? The World Tournament spinners? I enjoy a style like that, but do realise that there are people who might not agree with me! I believe most people enjoy JEB spinning so much due to the amount of effort they put into their control. Not only do they have near-perfect smoothness and consistancy, they also know how to control their fingers while spinning. And the reason why we point towards them so often is because no other community has such a huge density of mastery. They are our baseline for an ‘advanced’ style, a step ahead of just being able to do tricks in a combo. Once someone comes up with a different baseline, we’ll have something else to follow. Ugh, I’m kind of derailing and have a lot more small points to make... In the end I believe people should spin however they want, you should spin for yourself. [B]There is no necessary good or bad style.[/B] In the off case that you just want to improve, show off, and entertain others, smoothness and execution are the direction to head. Once you’re at a desirable state there you can start messing around with whatever you want and develop your style even further. Feel free to experiment, grab a different pen, look at videos and incorporate things in your own way. ... I hope I made sense.
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Date: Mon, Dec 2 2013 19:30:54
Style is doing a trick, that everybody does, just in a different way.
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Date: Mon, Dec 2 2013 20:25:09
Yamaguchi wrote: Ye like @eurocracy 's combos hahaha hahahaha
There's nothing really wrong with my style [video=youtube;osqKdlPgqXU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osqKdlPgqXU[/video] My execution goes down in my tournament combos because my combos are extremely difficult. -
Date: Mon, Dec 2 2013 22:16:47
eurocracy wrote: There's nothing really wrong with my style [video=youtube;osqKdlPgqXU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osqKdlPgqXU[/video] My execution goes down in my tournament combos because my combos are extremely difficult.
dat gay stop in 0:07 ew ahhahahaha -
Date: Mon, Dec 2 2013 23:11:04
@Yamaguchi, keep it down. If you can't argue in a normal way just shut up instead. Please, can we have a normal discussion instead of people acting childish for once? You don't have to agree with someone in order to act normal.
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Date: Mon, Dec 2 2013 23:13:01
Erirornal Kraione wrote: @Yamaguchi, keep it down. If you can't argue in a normal way just shut up instead. Please, can we have a normal discussion instead of people acting childish for once?
I think acting childish kinda comes with the territory, the average pen spinner are still in their teens, and teens argue pretty childishly... I'd be happy to carry on a normal discussion but I think you made a pretty good argument on style in your previous post and have little to add ^_^ -
Date: Mon, Dec 2 2013 23:20:34
I mostly agree with what Eriror said. Back in 2009, I had long and exhausting discussions with my two blog-mates about what makes a style and we also reached a similar conclusion. For us, style was also based arounnd smoothness and control. However, there is something more to it, which might be more difficult to grasp for less experienced penspinners. Erirors spinning for example meets the two aforementioned criteria very well. Actually, it meets them almost perfectly as he has great control and his smoothness is one of the best in Europe. But back in the day, we wouldn't consider his style even remotely good. Why was that? It seems like we put a great emphasis on the execution and above all, the position and shape/form of ones fingers. And by that I don't necessarily mean if the nails or the fingers are long. There are also spinners with thick (FAT!) hands who have a great style, such as Baoo or vstrike. But I seem to derail as well. Take a look at this clip for example: [video=youtube;I6zP_mNhYcA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6zP_mNhYcA[/video] If you watch this in slow-motion or just take a very close look on what the fingers are doing (instead of looking at the pen), you can probably see how most fingers are outstretched or strained during most of the combo. The fingers form different pattern, for example during the tipped sonic in toros combo (where only the pinky is stretched) or the wiper right at the beginning of Nikoos combo (where all fingers but his middle finger are outstreched). This focus on the micro-level of finger movement is something that most spinners from GPC seemed to misunderstand during that time. I remember this polish guy who made a parody of SEVEN where he just jerked around with his hand alot, totally missing the point about what makes his style. It made me laugh back then because I thought everyone was just stupid but now it just makes me sad to see that people consider Juminuwo as "stylish".
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Date: Mon, Dec 2 2013 23:45:51
holy shit, summon all the LPSA members to talk about this plz(for the UPSB beginners!!)
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Date: Mon, Dec 2 2013 23:55:43
taichi1082 wrote: If you watch this in slow-motion or just take a very close look on what the fingers are doing (instead of looking at the pen), you can probably see how most fingers are outstretched or strained during most of the combo. The fingers form different pattern, for example during the tipped sonic in toros combo (where only the pinky is stretched) or the wiper right at the beginning of Nikoos combo (where all fingers but his middle finger are outstreched).
This is just one kind of 'good style' that we have come to agree with. It is not true, however, that all spinners with good style have straight, outstretched fingers. Nor is it true that all spinners with straight, outstretched fingers have good style. For the first case, I might bring up somebody like raimo, who has a very mesmerizing style but has nothing to do with outstretched fingers. I do agree that focus on the micro-level of finger movement is a quality that is often connected with good style (raimo falls into this category as well). But then again, there are other spinners like kabu or riason or monacho that don't necessarily have the "ideal" finger movements as you describe, but who's styles are still appreciated by a good number of people (and I certainly appreciate). I think it's way more complicated than that, so much so that all I can conclude is "if it works, it works". And more experienced people can tell what works and what doesn't. If I missed the point of your post, I apologize. I am actually not too sure what the point of your post is, but I am assuming this is what you were saying. I'm just pointing out that good style can exist in a more bare-bones kind of spinning. It does not need to pack the flamboyance of spinners like old seven, old nikoo, etc. -
Date: Tue, Dec 3 2013 00:09:33
casual wrote: This is just one kind of 'good style' that we have come to agree with. It is not true, however, that all spinners with good style have straight, outstretched fingers. [...] But then again, there are other spinners like kabu or riason or monacho that don't necessarily have the "ideal" finger movements as you describe, but who's styles are still appreciated by a good number of people (and I certainly appreciate)
riason actually has this as well, though saying "outstretched" might make it a bit too simple. About kabu, he does have the correct finger-positions for the most part but the tension of his fingers is (except for his pinky) a bit off. However, considering his breakdowns, his speed/trick ratio and the tricks used, it would probably be better to assign him to a different category, along with hash, iris and all the other oldschool koreans. This is not necessarily a bad style, I like it as well... but it is not the style we loved so much in 2009 and still do so today. Tare just brought to me that this could be misunderstood and I need to clarify it. Style is not about "stretch out all the fingers".
Consider this as a follow up to my post
/EDIT: IT SHOULD SAY BACK-2-FL-TA-REV IN THE 4TH PANEL OH SNAP HOW EMBARRASSING
also *where (it was a typo I swear)
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Date: Tue, Dec 3 2013 00:34:01
taichi1082 wrote: There are also spinners with thick (FAT!) hands who have a great style, such as Baoo or vstrike.
Vstrike.... You're mom is fat! lol'ed @ eurocracy's combo btw quick tutorial how to get a nice style: >buy a webcam >spin >watch simultaneously >probably every trick you execute will look shitty >fix it until it doesn't give people eye cancer >do this for like couple years >get into LPSA Done! -
Date: Tue, Dec 3 2013 00:52:01
dont follow mainstream
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Date: Tue, Dec 3 2013 01:33:14
taichi1082 wrote: stuff lots of pictures stuff stuff
Yes I am aware of all that. I agree that finger positioning plays a huge role in good pen spinning aesthetics. Just pointing out that the 'style we love so much from 2009' is not the only criteria for style, coming from somebody who personally prefers more "korean-influenced pen spinning" (for a lack of a better term), so that newer guys reading this might not get the idea that they need to spin a certain way to be considered as one with style. -
Date: Tue, Dec 3 2013 07:21:02
Vstrike wrote: btw quick tutorial how to get a nice style: >buy a webcam >spin >watch simultaneously >probably every trick you execute will look shitty >fix it until it doesn't give people eye cancer >do this for like couple years >get into LPSA Done!
Probably one of the best ways to start especially the last step, but it works even without a webcam just pay attention on what you do. -
Date: Tue, Dec 3 2013 18:44:02
Vstrike;273138][B]lol'ed @ eurocracy's combo[/B] [/QUOTE] Second try freestyle, showing normal spinning style rather than changing anything. Also maybe my PC but the video keeps stumbling frames, which is annoying. My input: Links make up a lot of style, and the choice of them, because there exists choices that chain together aesthetically better. You can't do a hexbinmos combo and give it japanese sexiness, even if you're toro, it's impossible. [QUOTE=taichi1082 wrote: It made me laugh back then because I thought everyone was just stupid but now it just makes me sad to see[B] that people consider Juminuwo as "stylish"[/B].
He does include the mentioned finger movements as well though. He's not all about hand waving, just like SEVEN isn't, seems like you're missing it too here. His spinning revolves around aesthetics, his most prominent are his hand motions and isolations, but he's fine tuned the finger motions as well, for one example take when he does wipers, much alike when Nikoo does it, he keeps fingers outstretched or in to create certain shapes. Drastically compare this to mine, where I've paid little attention to aesthetics in my combos, looks totally different, even if I was to add hand waving, lol. -
Date: Tue, Dec 3 2013 19:10:43
eurocracy wrote: He's not all about hand waving.
Except he is. His micro-level execution is below average, his charge rotations are lacking. If style is, as mentioned before, a combination of execution, fingermovement/position and control, he lacks all except fingerposition. /EDIT: no, even those aren't all that great. -
Date: Tue, Dec 3 2013 19:40:33
taichi1082 wrote: Except he is. His micro-level execution is below average, his charge rotations are lacking. If style is, as mentioned before, a combination of execution, fingermovement/position and control, he lacks all except fingerposition. /EDIT: no, even those aren't all that great.
Are you even talking about the same guy? [video=youtube;B3r_I0iv4bI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3r_I0iv4bI[/video] And the problems with control and execution are where? Charge rotations lacking, lmfao you've gone crazy -
Date: Tue, Dec 3 2013 19:49:27
In my opinion good style comes from good smoothness and flow of the movements, its not so much the movements themselves but rather do all the parts contribute to aesthetics ? or do some parts detract from the aesthetics? The video above has the spinner making pauses and not symmetric spins and thus his style is still being developed, a "perfectly" matured style would have every element pleasing to the eye and you would be so amazed at the spinning as to never think of criticizing it or coming up with ways how it could be improved.
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Date: Tue, Dec 3 2013 21:12:08
eurocracy wrote: Are you even talking about the same guy? [video=youtube;B3r_I0iv4bI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3r_I0iv4bI[/video] And the problems with control and execution are where? Charge rotations lacking, lmfao you've gone crazy
lol'ed again. Well, at least Juminuwo tries to be stylish. Even though i dont like his spinning, he's probably better than 90% of the european spinner - still far away from JEB-level. -
Date: Tue, Dec 3 2013 23:21:08
eurocracy;273185]And the problems with control and execution are where?[/QUOTE] With control and execution, even I think I have quite a few problems. I think over two thirds of my clips have a noticeable error. Also there are more than just a few clips by ASIn, Mesi, Slofis or any other top tier style spinner, that I have nearly nothing that I can compare to. [QUOTE=taichi1082 wrote: It made me laugh back then because I thought everyone was just stupid but now it just makes me sad to see that people consider Juminuwo as "stylish".
If you my hand movements don't to count towards style then I'm for sure not a really stylish spinner. But conversely if you think it is stylish, and my funny tricks too, then I guess I am a really stylish. My style has similarities to the JEB style spinners but it's pretty different too. I think the reason people think I'm good is because the hand movements and funny tricks I do, my "style" is a little unique to myself. There isn't really a go-to example of a world class spinner that spins with my "style". Also I think I can say my level of difficulty of my spinning can certainly feel generations behind a lot of the JEB style spinners lul. But saying if my style is better, worse or just as good as the JEB spinners is just part of the title of this thread right? Since definitions of good style are kind of subjective right now. -
Date: Tue, Dec 3 2013 23:30:43
-\._./- [video=youtube;ypd2teDhOdc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypd2teDhOdc&feature=youtu.be[/video] dat comssa doe
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Date: Wed, Dec 4 2013 06:58:55
It fascinates me how in general, spinners tend to associate a particular type of finger control and movement with style (setting aside control and smoothness and stuff, those are a given). Namely, that if a spinner were to do a combo with "perfect" control of the pen, but sloppy fingers, it'd look pretty shitty in the eyes of any experienced spinner compared to the same thing done with what's now seen as basically just the "correct" ways to control one's fingers (I don't mean outstretched only obviously, basically I mean that the finger movements/positions have some kind of intent/direction, like in the examples taichi gave; funnily enough though, sometimes we'd call certain cases nice/stylish/pretty, and other ones ugly, even if they were to both involve good control/intent of the fingers and their positions during a trick or tricks). Honestly, I think the preferences that have developed regarding specific types and manners of finger control (presuming any finger control/intent is there in the first place) are natural and to be expected, similar to the way that certain tones/chords and mixtures of frequencies are just dissonant to us, leading to the standard musical interval/scale we have. If I were to try and play devil's advocate, I'd argue that as long as the fingers are controlled, and finger positioning exhibits some kind of intent, this should be considered a refined and acceptable style of spinning, irrespective of whether the general PS populace would consider the mannerisms to be "stylish" or aesthetic, so as long as one has that it's all good. However, to be honest, I prefer the type of movement and finger control most loved by spinners, i.e. JEB-style spinning and the like, and in a way it seems to be that this preference is widely shared and not going anywhere anytime soon (maybe even for some reason other than just ps-culture preference/tradition, as with the analogy to music and whatnot).
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Date: Fri, Dec 6 2013 07:16:49
.....I Like Juminuwos Style <3
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Date: Fri, Dec 6 2013 07:32:55
Wait...I thought Juminuwo was just a huge troll. Is that how he actually spins? Oh. God.