UPSB v4
General Discussion / World Tournament 2013 - Community Registration and Information
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Date: Tue, Sep 25 2012 03:56:54
This thread is for community registration only. For individual spinner registration, please refer to your community's guidelines. The first draft for the WT13 rules are up: PDF: http://worldps.org/wt13/files/wt13.pdf DOC: http://worldps.org/wt13/files/wt13.doc Please share and translate the rules. If you have any questions, comments, suggestions regarding the rules, please post here or send an e-mail. ------------ What's new this year?
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[*]Time limit increased to 30 seconds.
[*]Removed restriction of minimum 2 spinners per community.
[*]Judging committees are assigned a weight. Bigger communities with more judges will have a more important vote than others.
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[*]The first round is a pool phase, consisting of 8 groups. The top 4 of each group advance.
[*]Rounds 2 to 6 constitute the knockout phase, which are 1vs1 battles.
[*]The judging criteria are the same.
[*]The schedule is the same: 2 weeks for filming, 1 week for judging (+1 week for round 1)
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[*]Community name
[*]Manager e-mail
[*]Number of requested slots
[*]Number of judges
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Date: Tue, Sep 25 2012 09:11:04
30 seconds, might make things interesting also: "Judging committees are assigned a weight. Bigger communities with more judges will have a more important vote than others." how is 'bigger' defined? since a lot of members in some boards (especially UPSB ) are not those boards' main members; and LPSA only has 50 members, so is their vote weighted less even though they have a larger number of good spinners than most other boards do? bigger community doesn't mean better judging either, and it just allows some larger boards which may hold certain ideologies to enforce them on competitors when judging also allows for more arguments over results, but i guess it always happens so w/e
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Date: Tue, Sep 25 2012 09:45:43
thanks zombo for continuing the seeding results for the rest of the rounds. I look forward to wt. (even if i dont make that cut x) )
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Date: Tue, Sep 25 2012 11:41:52
This is going to be awesome!~
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Date: Tue, Sep 25 2012 12:26:23
Will advise PPSC right away, thanks Zombo. :)
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Date: Tue, Sep 25 2012 16:19:01
Definitely looking forward to it this year. I'm going to attempt to make it in. Already nervous about it. :p
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Date: Tue, Sep 25 2012 16:37:37
Kari wrote: Definitely looking forward to it this year. I'm going to attempt to make it in. Already nervous about it. :p
Hahaha, same here. Good luck to you!~ ^_^ -
Date: Tue, Sep 25 2012 16:51:30
I'M TOTALLY IN AND I BETTER HAVE A BATTLE WITH SNOW. <3 EDIT: Never mind, I have school to deal with. :(
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Date: Tue, Sep 25 2012 18:10:19
i.suk wrote: 30 seconds, might make things interesting also: "Judging committees are assigned a weight. Bigger communities with more judges will have a more important vote than others." how is 'bigger' defined? since a lot of members in some boards (especially UPSB ) are not those boards' main members; and LPSA only has 50 members, so is their vote weighted less even though they have a larger number of good spinners than most other boards do? bigger community doesn't mean better judging either, and it just allows some larger boards which may hold certain ideologies to enforce them on competitors when judging also allows for more arguments over results, but i guess it always happens so w/e
the rulebook has more clarification, it's about past judging history, bigger in terms of number of judges -
Date: Tue, Sep 25 2012 18:39:51
Will you evaluate the judges? Or can any board send any number of judges?
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Date: Wed, Sep 26 2012 00:22:45
@Nashi let's get this going. :D
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Date: Wed, Sep 26 2012 00:51:43
taichi1082 wrote: Will you evaluate the judges? Or can any board send any number of judges?
boards can send any number of judges, but the real challenge is how many of them will actually judge in each round; that will impact the weight of the committee -
Date: Wed, Sep 26 2012 02:32:19
Zombo wrote: boards can send any number of judges, but the real challenge is how many of them will actually judge in each round; that will impact the weight of the committee
at least there is 'incentive' for judges to actually send results this time :D -
Date: Wed, Sep 26 2012 02:35:23
Kari wrote: Definitely looking forward to it this year. I'm going to attempt to make it in. Already nervous about it. :p
Kari for WT13 whoo :D -
Date: Wed, Sep 26 2012 02:50:35
i.suk wrote: 30 seconds, might make things interesting also: "Judging committees are assigned a weight. Bigger communities with more judges will have a more important vote than others." how is 'bigger' defined? since a lot of members in some boards (especially UPSB ) are not those boards' main members; and LPSA only has 50 members, so is their vote weighted less even though they have a larger number of good spinners than most other boards do? bigger community doesn't mean better judging either, and it just allows some larger boards which may hold certain ideologies to enforce them on competitors when judging also allows for more arguments over results, but i guess it always happens so w/e
LPSA only has a greater ratio because they're a seeded community. -
Date: Wed, Sep 26 2012 13:56:17
@Kari: I'm don't think that i'll try to participate this year. still have a lot to learn (well maybe i'll change my opinion again as usual). but you can rock this. :3
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Date: Wed, Sep 26 2012 19:52:09
Do we have to put the judge name in the registration e-mail? or we can send it later.
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Date: Wed, Sep 26 2012 20:08:56
I'd sooo like to try, but I don't have time. I'm writing finals in January. :(
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Date: Thu, Sep 27 2012 00:00:14
coffeelucky wrote: Do we have to put the judge name in the registration e-mail? or we can send it later.
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Date: Thu, Sep 27 2012 08:14:00
how many judges must a board send? please give a specific range :D also can the manager be a judge? edit : can the manager compete in the wt?
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Date: Thu, Sep 27 2012 10:00:46
Zombo wrote: the rulebook has more clarification, it's about past judging history, bigger in terms of number of judges
I hope this is not gonna mess up the votes... (sun) btw, I think 30 seconds is a bit long, but whatever^^ -
Date: Thu, Sep 27 2012 15:03:26
Ivabra wrote: I hope this is not gonna mess up the votes... (sun) btw, I think 30 seconds is a bit long, but whatever^^
Agree, 30 seconds is pretty long. But meh sure, I guess I'm good. Btw, just an input. To all the future judges of WT13, try to send your results on time. We don't want the same mistake to happen like in WC12, right? Thanks! (sun) -
Date: Thu, Sep 27 2012 16:40:56
@Far While I personally agree that a 30 second combo is a bit too long (read: I don't have the consistency to film a 30 second spam-free combo at a difficulty on par with shorter ones >w< ), it's worth noting that this will also take pressure off of the spinners on some levels. Combos have been drifting towards 20-25 seconds or so, and as a result there's pressure to cram in as much as possible into 25 seconds or less, spin faster to do so, whatever. Also, if you film something that's just barely 26 seconds, at least now it's usable vs. having to refilm or have the first/last second ignored. Even though there's pressure now to make longer combos and try to have something for 30 seconds be spam-free and on par with your personal limit of difficulty, it's my hope that judges don't give difference in combo length too much weight. This should only matter in very close battles where two combos are extremely evenly matched, if there's something like a 5-10 second difference in length, imo. At that point, if the combos both feel evenly matched in terms of the judging elements of WT, and the longer combo isn't simply spam or easy links to get more time, there's clearly something to be said for the greater consistency of a combo of 30 seconds vs. 20 if the links/tricks/execution are all otherwise very even. Hopefully, this doesn't come up too much, cause I feel like 22-26 seconds for a combo is a reasonable, solid length.
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Date: Thu, Sep 27 2012 17:59:56
I like 30 sec limit. It prevents unnecessary discussions about videos being 26 seconds instead of 25 seconds. :facepalm:
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Date: Thu, Sep 27 2012 18:25:58
Then, we'll have unnecessary discussions about videos being 31 seconds instead of 30 seconds.
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Date: Thu, Sep 27 2012 19:03:47
Walkaz wrote: how many judges must a board send? please give a specific range :D also can the manager be a judge? edit : can the manager compete in the wt?
you can send any number of judges, the more the better but what matters is how many are able to judge each round manager can be judge or competitor, but not both also the judging weight will be affected by quality of judging (this means how complete your results are -> full criteria disclosure + comments on for every battle is high quality, just picking winners is bad quality) and also the ability to meet judging deadlines. -
Date: Thu, Sep 27 2012 23:02:36
Ok cool, LPSA will provide 50 judges then
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Date: Thu, Sep 27 2012 23:18:59
coffeelucky;226403]Then, we'll have unnecessary discussions about videos being 31 seconds instead of 30 seconds.[/QUOTE] And when that begins to happen more frequently the length will be increased again. [QUOTE=taichi1082;226417]Ok cool, LPSA will provide 50 judges then[/QUOTE] Unless LPSA's recently recruited new spinners, doesn't that mean LPSA doesn't plan on winning?... [QUOTE=Ivabra wrote: btw, I think 30 seconds is a bit long, but whatever^^
I'm sure length of combo wont be a huge factor unless it's very obvious (5 seconds vs 26 seconds). 30 seconds of spinning shouldn't be seen as a requirement, it just gives spinners more flexibility in pacing or content they want to include, especially later on in the competition. -
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2012 12:33:36
taichi1082 wrote: Ok cool, LPSA will provide 50 judges then
most communities have a hard time getting more than two judges to consistently judge every round... and 50 judges doesnt mean your opinion counts 50 times, could just mean your opinion counts 1.05x also you cant event judge your own battles anyway -
Date: Sat, Sep 29 2012 00:09:21
shoeman6 wrote: Unless LPSA's recently recruited new spinners, doesn't that mean LPSA doesn't plan on winning?...
You are right, I forgot about that. -
Date: Thu, Oct 4 2012 21:45:53
Who will judge me? It will be funny if those who did not like my performance at the World Cup. I can at this time to have sex with the bread? Gently and with love?) I like it! Intriguing! :D Just kidding) Anyway I will try to show something shocking (in a good way).
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Date: Fri, Oct 5 2012 00:04:14
sLy wrote: Who will judge me? It will be funny if those who did not like my performance at the World Cup. I can at this time to have sex with the bread? Gently and with love?) I like it! Intriguing! :D Just kidding) Anyway I will try to show something shocking (in a good way).
I like the part of sex... at least i wouldn't be judge on wt13, see you there my mate ;). -
Date: Mon, Oct 15 2012 14:40:29
sLy wrote: Who will judge me? It will be funny if those who did not like my performance at the World Cup. I can at this time to have sex with the bread? Gently and with love?) I like it! Intriguing! :D Just kidding) Anyway I will try to show something shocking (in a good way).
if u really do that, 100% sure u will win=] -
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2012 16:03:01
I wonder how about IPSA
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Date: Thu, Oct 18 2012 00:32:17
coffeelucky wrote: I wonder how about IPSA
its not a community, it does not have participating spinners. -
Date: Thu, Oct 18 2012 06:22:04
Zombo wrote: its not a community, it does not have participating spinners.
I mean they said that they'll organize world events start from WT13. :/ -
Date: Thu, Oct 18 2012 14:12:04
coffeelucky wrote: I mean they said that they'll organize world events start from WT13. :/
well i am the organizer of WT13 for IPSA. -
Date: Thu, Oct 18 2012 18:30:24
Zombo wrote: well i am the organizer of WT13 for IPSA.
Oh, I see. :D -
Date: Thu, Oct 18 2012 19:17:41
sLy wrote: I can at this time to have sex with the bread? Gently and with love?) I like it! Intriguing! :D
:wub: -
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2012 21:03:35
@M@ver1ck was interested in hosting the WT 13 podcast.
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Date: Wed, Nov 7 2012 21:46:21
yeah right now I'm just trying to get everything setup. is there a set date for the podcast?
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Date: Sun, Dec 9 2012 08:37:29
wow I think we forgot to register BPSC (sun)
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Date: Sun, Dec 9 2012 10:29:26
Ivabra wrote: wow I think we forgot to register BPSC (sun)
That alone just brought the overall level of the tournament up! :thumb: -
Date: Tue, Dec 11 2012 12:21:07
do you answer for registration letter? that would be sure that the letter came...
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Date: Tue, Dec 11 2012 12:32:55
Good luck to all! (i hope to join in WC/WT 14)
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Date: Wed, Dec 12 2012 17:33:39
received registrations from VNPSC JEB BRPSB KPSA BPSC SPSB LPSA 3 more days to go
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Date: Wed, Dec 12 2012 18:47:10
Can I register PSUK ? @Zombo
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Date: Wed, Dec 12 2012 21:05:36
Mats wrote: Can I register PSUK ?
No. You can't. - Zombo p.s. I'm Zombo -
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2012 21:50:19
Mats wrote: Can I register PSUK ? @Zombo
Yes please, get Juminuwo to take over ;) -
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2012 21:53:36
Supergirl wrote: Yes please, get Juminuwo to take over ;)
lol He's not even active. I would like to register PSUK though. -
Date: Wed, Dec 12 2012 22:08:27
Oh GPC. =S
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Date: Thu, Dec 13 2012 12:46:22
registered for upsb
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Date: Fri, Dec 14 2012 04:37:24
IPSB sent/
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Date: Fri, Dec 14 2012 18:51:22
just a few more communities need to register, most notably GPC, MYPSC or SPSC. I think everybody else is on board.
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Date: Fri, Dec 14 2012 21:09:33
GPC /sent.
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Date: Sat, Dec 15 2012 01:29:01
mypsc not /in
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Date: Sat, Dec 15 2012 01:31:20
Alvaris wrote: mypsc not /in
too bad, i also got word from spsc they're in, so i think we're set -
Date: Sat, Dec 15 2012 03:41:18
Alvaris wrote: mypsc not /in
whaat? don't tell me you will not join WT? ._. -
Date: Sat, Dec 15 2012 03:45:14
no TWPS? :(
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Date: Sat, Dec 15 2012 06:06:31
Go PPSC! Yay finaly
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Date: Sat, Dec 15 2012 07:19:37
whoa whats happening? no twps? makes no sense.
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Date: Sat, Dec 15 2012 11:04:28
uhh forgot abt twps lemme ask
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Date: Sat, Dec 15 2012 15:14:18
Gland wrote: whaat? don't tell me you will not join WT? ._.
yeah, chances i won't have time for it -
Date: Sat, Dec 15 2012 15:54:33
twps is in
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Date: Sat, Dec 15 2012 18:56:25
Alvaris wrote: yeah, chances i won't have time for it
Oh god that sucks. :( -
Date: Sun, Dec 16 2012 00:34:45
registration is completed, here's the list vnpsc 5 jeb 8 brpsb 4 kpsa 8 bpsc 3 spsb 4 lpsa 4 psh 8 fpsb 7 thpsc 8 upsb 8 hkpsa 6 psuk 2 kzpsc 4 ipsb 4 ppp 4 ppsc 3 gpc 4 spsc 3 twps 6 wildcard 1 We have a spare wildcard spot for anybody to take, regardless of where s/he come from. Send a video entry before January 5th to [email][email protected][/email]
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Date: Sun, Dec 16 2012 00:48:54
that is awesome, i cant wait
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Date: Sun, Dec 16 2012 07:51:00
so the wildcard one would be like a lone wolf or something? or will he/she be participating for upsb?
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Date: Sun, Dec 16 2012 07:56:54
Alvaris wrote: so the wildcard one would be like a lone wolf or something? or will he/she be participating for upsb?
Wildcard is join as an individual rather than as part of a community, so no, non-upsb ^^ -
Date: Sun, Dec 16 2012 08:38:06
fpsb has 7 spots LOL
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Date: Sun, Dec 16 2012 10:21:54
i wonder who from jeb will come? ;) im guessing zunda( champ ) Hal , menowa , chisato will take part not sure for other 4 though
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Date: Sun, Dec 16 2012 12:22:20
I want to see Chisato Noel Mind Beige and oZone participate.
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Date: Mon, Dec 17 2012 03:45:10
Won't spinners that represent communities with bigger judging comittees be in disadvantage in 1st round? I mean, depending on how big the judging comittee from your community is, you will be prevented for getting a different vote, since they are weighted. Example: spinner1 is from community A spinner2 is from community B spinner3 is from community C spinner4 is from community D Assigned weights to voting: community A: 1 community B: 2 community C: 3 community D: 4 spinner 1 can get a max of 9 votes spinner 2 can get a max of 8 votes spinner 3 can get a max of 7 votes spinner 4 can get a max of 6 votes
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Date: Tue, Dec 18 2012 17:18:36
weights wont be in effect in the first round another way is normalize votes by dividing by possible amount of votes each spinner can get
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Date: Tue, Dec 18 2012 18:08:21
Who will come in the fpsb?
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Date: Tue, Dec 18 2012 18:24:04
May I ask why FPSB has only 7 spots? They won the WC and they have the strongest spinners overall. They have : f2f, raeik, A13X, gollumsk, lindor, futhark, anikis, (Gisele, Ivabra), leftfinger, yaemgo, Blue, Neirda and many other world class spinners I cant think of right now.
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Date: Tue, Dec 18 2012 18:45:23
because they only asked for 7
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Date: Tue, Dec 18 2012 22:11:59
Belgian spinners are gonna compete for BPSC btw :) Plus I'm sorry but Raeik doesn't have a WT level anymore & some of the spinners of your list aren't too ^^ Zombo => Aren't you gonna use the wildcard to make some good spinners which were not supposed to be there compete ? (like you did with Hal & Mesi in 2011)
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Date: Wed, Dec 19 2012 05:42:59
no last time wildcards went to gibki i.suk and lekunga
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Date: Wed, Jan 2 2013 04:39:44
When does it start?
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Date: Wed, Jan 2 2013 17:20:49
January 12th
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Date: Sat, Jan 5 2013 11:25:50
Frickin excited!~ Just a few more days...
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Date: Sat, Jan 5 2013 12:58:54
when will the full lineups be revealed? sry if i missed the info lol i thought it would be today, or timezone difference so tomorrow for us in the east side o_o"
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Date: Sat, Jan 5 2013 14:06:29
East asia is 16 hours ahead of middle-west US
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Date: Sat, Jan 5 2013 14:14:59
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Date: Sat, Jan 5 2013 17:42:19
I'm missing UPSB JEB IPSB PSUK
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Date: Sat, Jan 5 2013 17:54:35
@Zombo i just sent wildcard video upon realization of not making upsb team. hope it's not too late.
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Date: Sun, Jan 6 2013 23:10:13
@strat1227 I think Mav was wanting to host the WT podcasts?
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Date: Sun, Jan 6 2013 23:38:32
wt09 and wt11 were some of the most hyped off times of mah life guess wt13 will be no exception <- pic related
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Date: Mon, Jan 7 2013 04:17:00
shoeman6 wrote: @strat1227 I think Mav was wanting to host the WT podcasts?
ok sure' btw psuk pulls out, 2 more wildcard spots open, should be out in a few days. -
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2013 05:28:39
psuk is still alive? :O
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Date: Mon, Jan 7 2013 12:41:48
Raos wrote: psuk is still alive? :O
1/5 alive. :( -
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2013 17:12:24
The only people i know from psuk who are still alive in the ps community are you and jumi..who else are there?
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Date: Mon, Jan 7 2013 17:43:06
Alvaris wrote: The only people i know from psuk who are still alive in the ps community are you and jumi..who else are there?
Basically, this is exactly why I'm saying 1/5 alive. We used to have about 15 and now we are 3. -
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2013 22:27:37
Hmm no swiss board or italy board... there's one more wildcard left. I demand QPSB :P but on a serious note, no MYPSC? I thought there was going to be at least a person from MYPSC.
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Date: Mon, Jan 7 2013 22:45:26
So is PSUK out? How many wildcards are there? -.-
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Date: Mon, Jan 7 2013 22:59:13
1 as planned + 2 from psuk + if i'm informed correctly another one because ipsb is only sending 3 spinners -> 4 wildcards
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Date: Mon, Jan 7 2013 23:58:24
eazi-penspinner;242248]So is PSUK out? How many wildcards are there? -.-[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, yes, but, hopefully we will be in the world cup next year... :) [QUOTE=sparking wrote: 1 as planned + 2 from psuk + if i'm informed correctly another one because ipsb is only sending 3 spinners -> 4 wildcards
I have no idea on this. I don't even know why I quoted it. :dunno: -
Date: Thu, Jan 10 2013 03:55:03
sparking wrote: 1 as planned + 2 from psuk + if i'm informed correctly another one because ipsb is only sending 3 spinners -> 4 wildcards
ipsb has submitted 4 names so 3 wildcards lineups and website coming soon