UPSB v4
Tutorials Pending Approval / Eurocracy Menowa* Hybrid (EMH Mod)
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Date: Wed, May 30 2012 19:29:00
This mod was originally released only to HPSC members. It was then leaked out publicly in the shoutbox. I had not originally intended to release this mod, but I feel I may as well give out an official tutorial rather than leave it to leaked versions to have a look at. This mod was based off the Menowa* mod's design, aesthetics and modding techniques.
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[B]EMH Mod[/B]
[B][Center of Gravity or COG for short][/B]: COP
[B][Length][/B]: 17cm
[B][Spinning Room[/B]: 9cm
[B][Weight][/B]: 19g
[B][Style][/B]: Double Sided
[B][Writing-Mechanism][/B]: None
[B][Estimated cost][/B]: 25.62$ (34.12$ if you do not have airfit rings left over from a buster or otherwise)
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MATERIALS LIST
2x Ohto Needlepoint (tips)
4x Uni Signo (tips)
3x Dong-A Anyball (3 grips, Black, Magenta, Sky Blue)
1x Kearing Water Erasable marker (Penwish Miffy body sub)
2x Zebra Airfit (Rings)
2x Black Pentel ColorTwin (Caps)
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[SPOILER="Tutorial Part 1: Tip Modification"]Tip modification is an advanced modding technique. It involves modifying tips by cutting them and combining the resultant metal pieces with eachother or metal tips to create a "Weight".
1) Insert the signo tip into the needlepoint tip and make a mark with a hacksaw or a blade where it meets the lip of the needlepoint tip
2) Attach signo tip to the signo body for support, hold onto the body while cutting.
3) Cut through the signo tip along the mark using a hacksaw or a dremel, creating the cone and ring pieces at the right of the picture
4) Repeat for a second signo tip, resulting in two rings and two cones.
5) Place some blu tack on the front of the cones and stuff them into the needlepoint tips. They should hold perfectly and firmly.
6) Wrap a small, single anyball ring around the front of each needlepoint tip with the cone inside.
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[SPOILER="Tutorial Part 2: Creating the body"]
1) Remove the cap and backplug of the kearing miffy body sub. Pull the front nib out and let the inktube drop out. Discard these parts.
2) Cut the front off the barrel and apply a small amount of tape to the front to allow the cap to slide on snugly.
3) [Optional] Apply a tapecut design, three small stripes is the original menowa design, while my version uses a total of four extra long triangles.
4) Squeeze the two metal rings created from cutting the tips until they fit tight into either end of the miffy body sub.
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[SPOILER="Tutorial Part 3: Caps"]
1) Put white tape on the cap and then cut a tapecut design into it if you wish.
2) Put some tape on the upper part of the cap to widen it slightly (This is to stop an ugly bulge being made due to the airfit rings)
3) Put on a single strip of anyball, then three rings colored anyball (Skyblue one cap, pink the other), finally put 3 rings of black anyball slightly overhanging the cap.
4) Place the airfit ring into the overhanging grip
5) Push the needlepoint tip into the front of the cap inverted with the anyball ring on it. You may have to take the anyball ring off and push that in first before you push the tip in. The anyball ring will hold it in snugly.
6) This creates the triple ring design of two silver and an inner gold-like.
7) Stick one of each of the remaining two signo tips into the back of each caps. If they rattle use blue tack to help hold them in place.
8) Attach caps on body, spin. You have just finished the EMH mod!
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A note for all of you who made it thus far:
I never intended to release this mod, it's rather expensive and complicated to make compared to some other mods, but I would rather have it made fully public than that image of the previous tutorial being shown around.
I'm still proud of the mod though, it's beautiful and it took me a lot of planning and modding to make it.
Perhaps you can use the idea of tip fusion from it to help develop your own mods with compact and beautiful weight systems.
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Date: Wed, May 30 2012 19:33:56
Insane ideas, especially cutting tips. Nice.
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Date: Wed, May 30 2012 20:08:16
Fuse wrote: Insane ideas, especially cutting tips. Nice.
I'd like to say that tip cutting and modifying was Menowa's idea, not my own and he invented it as far as I know. Edit: No he didn't, it was actually my idea LOL -
Date: Wed, May 30 2012 20:36:49
where are the miffy body subs in Pw? cant find them '-' nice mod,but taking the tape cut out of the body would be nice i think.
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Date: Wed, May 30 2012 20:51:08
DArKT wrote: where are the miffy body subs in Pw? cant find them '-' nice mod,but taking the tape cut out of the body would be nice i think.
On the menu on the left they are very near to the bottom and are the "Kearing miffy body sub" -
Date: Wed, May 30 2012 20:51:32
I feel like a freedom fighter now
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Date: Wed, May 30 2012 20:58:23
That isnt real tip fushion according to menowafan T___T
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Date: Wed, May 30 2012 20:59:32
I can only assume that taichi released it?
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Date: Wed, May 30 2012 21:12:02
Fuse wrote: I can only assume that taichi released it?
EDIT: In response to real tip fusion thing: Is Menowa* also a metalsmith? His hands seem a bit delicate for that line of work... EDIT2: I fail and I clicked reply with quote instead of edit. Sorry for double post. -
Date: Wed, May 30 2012 21:14:28
ohzers wrote: That isnt real tip fushion according to menowafan T___T
I did not have the tips available to create the real tip fusion used in the menowa. His version is more complicated but the idea of modifying tips is the same. -
Date: Wed, May 30 2012 21:15:02
good job Euro..the most insane work i ever see lol
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Date: Wed, May 30 2012 22:18:18
well this was some insane work that you had been striving to complete eurocracy, and you finally did it. great job! i wish i had the parts and/or money to make this... i will do it at some point though. also, how does it spin? im very curious...
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Date: Wed, May 30 2012 23:44:02
eurocracy wrote: I did not have the tips available to create the real tip fusion used in the menowa. His version is more complicated but the idea of modifying tips is the same.
its not the same D: this method should not be called such a high level technique like tip fushion, but more like tip stacking -
Date: Thu, May 31 2012 02:30:22
i nominate eurocracy for 2012 Kammy 'Best Modder' tip fushion is the way of the future, next we might have cap, grip, body fushion too (sun) edit: i was under the impression that tip fushion required melting the tips, so therefore your version is incorrect and fake, --> should not be called tip fushion since it is highly misleading to true fans of menowa who wish to follow in his footsteps also: Eurocracy Menowa* Hybrid naming reminds me of chiizupisa l33tmx hybrid :o except just 9001x less awesome
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Date: Thu, May 31 2012 06:43:43
Reason;203103]well this was some insane work that you had been striving to complete eurocracy, and you finally did it. great job! i wish i had the parts and/or money to make this... i will do it at some point though. also, how does it spin? im very curious...[/QUOTE] I put down my buster and pick this up, the weight feeling is near exact. It's a little getting used to with the length but you can go ahead and use two supertip bodies joined if you like to make a longer mod. [QUOTE=ohzers;203126]its not the same D: this method should not be called such a high level technique like tip fushion, but more like tip stacking[/QUOTE] No... Tip stacking is the method used when tips are simply stacked ontop of eachother, often used in G3 mods to give different spinning feels, like the SEVEN G3, Juminuwo G3, Kuzu G3 and I believe the K7 hybrid. The technique used in this is actually changing the tips to create metal weights for aesthetics and different weighting systems, as seen by the use of the inner rings in the barrel and the inner 'golden' ring on either end. Thus tip modification. As Menowa* is the first to modify tips and seems to have named it "Tip Fusion" (Seriously, 'fushion' seems like a typo), I felt that my modification of tips should be called that. You can call it "Tip Modification" if you prefer, because it's far more broad than turning several tips into a single tip as the name "tip fusion" implies and with the rings being used in the body as weights, you can see how it can be used differently. Then "Tip Fusion" would fall under the category of "Tip Modification". It needs to be named and documented really, it's a useful modding technique. [QUOTE=i.suk;203148]i nominate eurocracy for 2012 Kammy 'Best Modder' tip fushion is the way of the future, next we might have cap, grip, body fushion too (sun)[/quote] I remember when you mentioned cap grip and body fushion, haha. Not too sure how that would really work as "Tip Fusion" is really just modification of tips. [QUOTE=i.suk;203148]edit: i was under the impression that tip fushion required melting the tips, so therefore your version is incorrect and fake, --> should not be called tip fushion since it is highly misleading to true fans of menowa who wish to follow in his footsteps[/quote] The metal tips we use in mods are not solid metal lumps and melting them down would not be the best of ideas, they are probably coated in zinc or in Dr Grip tips, chrome that would then go about in the mixture. This would also leave the final product prone to oxidization and we're not even considering the fact that the tips may not be made out of the same metals or alloys. Plus you need a great deal of heat to melt this metal and several specialist tools, as well as a casing to hold the molten metal that you are pouring in. The pictures that can be found of the metal weights inside menowa's mod show that it is not oxidized in the slightest and the metal remains looking silver. This is manufacturing custom penspinning weights and if menowa was actually melting metal, he'd be selling off weights to people and using metal ingots rather than tips already had. I was the one who actually suggested that the weights be made by melting them I believe in the thread, and looking at it now, it's a pretty bad idea. [QUOTE=i.suk wrote: also: Eurocracy Menowa* Hybrid naming reminds me of chiizupisa l33tmx hybrid :o except just 9001x less awesome
Well, it's a hybrid between my own design and the Menowa* design. Just like how your design is a hybrid between your own design and the chiizupisa SC design I believe. And yes, your mod's name is still more impressive than "EMH". -
Date: Thu, May 31 2012 22:07:56
eurocracy wrote: No... Tip stacking is the method used when tips are simply stacked ontop of eachother, often used in G3 mods to give different spinning feels, like the SEVEN G3, Juminuwo G3, Kuzu G3 and I believe the K7 hybrid. The technique used in this is actually changing the tips to create metal weights for aesthetics and different weighting systems, as seen by the use of the inner rings in the barrel and the inner 'golden' ring on either end. Thus tip modification. As Menowa* is the first to modify tips and seems to have named it "Tip Fusion" (Seriously, 'fushion' seems like a typo), I felt that my modification of tips should be called that. You can call it "Tip Modification" if you prefer, because it's far more broad than turning several tips into a single tip as the name "tip fusion" implies and with the rings being used in the body as weights, you can see how it can be used differently. Then "Tip Fusion" would fall under the category of "Tip Modification". It needs to be named and documented really, it's a useful modding technique.
you cut the signo tip then stacked a needlepoint onto the half-signo tip ._. if that isnt stacking then i dont know what is -
Date: Thu, May 31 2012 22:15:12
The mod seems a little.....shorter than I thought. o.o
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Date: Fri, Jun 1 2012 04:26:20
at any rate, props to your dedication for cutting tips, i believe this may be one of the first times it's done in a released mod (sun) (as far as i know anyway)
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Date: Fri, Jun 1 2012 06:53:39
I wonder where is your own idea on this mod @eurocracy
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Date: Fri, Jun 1 2012 07:37:09
Dragon;203468]I wonder where is your own idea on this mod @eurocracy[/QUOTE] Weighting, different method of tip fusion, different materials, besides the fact that aesthetically it looks like the menowa, it's largely different. [QUOTE=ohzers wrote: you cut the signo tip then stacked a needlepoint onto the half-signo tip ._. if that isnt stacking then i dont know what is
Actually not stacked, but infact the tip is placed entirely within another tip, so kind of like a russian doll. -
Date: Sat, Jun 2 2012 02:22:32
but D: it isnt like the russian doll at all, you literally just put a big tip over a small one D:
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Date: Sat, Jun 2 2012 03:38:35
eurocracy wrote: Actually not stacked, but infact the tip is placed entirely within another tip, so kind of like a russian doll.
So if an HGG tip fits entirely in a BK83 tip, that's also tip fusion? D: -
Date: Sat, Jun 2 2012 04:46:02
tipception
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Date: Sat, Jun 2 2012 05:15:15
............ damn,modding is hard what's hpsc btw? great job on modding this
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Date: Sat, Jun 2 2012 06:53:33
that's some legit eggache modding... OTZ
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Date: Sat, Jun 2 2012 09:21:12
@eurocracy how long did it take you to cut through the tip? and did you need to sand down rough edges afterwards?
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Date: Sat, Jun 2 2012 09:26:17
Kyoflow;203748]@eurocracy how long did it take you to cut through the tip? and did you need to sand down rough edges afterwards?[/QUOTE] For me, I was lazy and took about 15 minutes using a hacksaw through each tip while watching a movie. I then sanded down the cut parts a little pit, but they weren't too sharp for me. [QUOTE=ohzers wrote: but D: it isnt like the russian doll at all, you literally just put a big tip over a small one D:
I don't think you understand the idea that the tips have to be modified to do that. This technique is not tip stacking, I have already explained tip stacking to you. -
Date: Sat, Jun 2 2012 09:35:21
ohzers;203660]but D: it isnt like the russian doll at all, you literally just put a big tip over a small one D:[/QUOTE] he isnt putting a big tip over a smaller one because the "smaller one" is a modified tip he cut himself, therefore it is a modded tip. so technically it isnt tip stacking, but stacking a tip on top of a modified tip to make a tip mod. [QUOTE=eurocracy wrote: I don't think you understand the idea that the tips have to be modified to do that. This technique is not tip stacking, I have already explained tip stacking to you.
i dont think you can completely deny the term stacking since it is putting a tip right on top of the cut tip, but i do agree with you that it is a tip mod as i said right above -
Date: Sat, Jun 2 2012 10:35:11
ohzers;203342]you cut the signo tip then stacked a needlepoint onto the half-signo tip ._. if that isnt stacking then i dont know what is[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ohzers wrote: but D: it isnt like the russian doll at all, you literally just put a big tip over a small one D:
Someone, give a medal to this guy please :) This kind of 'tip fusion' or whatever, isn´t anything new. I dont say that eurocracy is selling this as a new concept (he always gives credit to menowa*) but... it seems like too much people think it is new. Anyway, everybody forgot this?
Body fusion?
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Date: Sun, Jun 3 2012 19:16:01
modified tips dont count as a tip? i mean you are using the "tip" portion of the cut tip are you not? D: why doesnt it still count as a tip D:
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Date: Sat, Jun 9 2012 12:29:52
How similar does this feel when spinning when it's compared to a real menowa* mod?
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Date: Sat, Jun 9 2012 13:08:31
Dragon wrote: How similar does this feel when spinning when it's compared to a real menowa* mod?
For this, you need someone with a menowa* mod to confirm it, so I doubt you'll get an answer in the near future. -
Date: Sat, Jun 9 2012 14:28:30
I want to make this mod, too bad my modding skills are not as good, if I do decide to make this mod, I'll probably leave out adding the cut signo tips.
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Date: Sat, Jun 9 2012 19:24:38
Dragon;205408]How similar does this feel when spinning when it's compared to a real menowa* mod?[/QUOTE] It feels like a buster exactly in momentum, the EXACT feel as a buster, EVEN though it is shorter. It is rather short though, so if you want to use the VGG mod method to fuse two supertip bodies together, that would be a good idea, as it can be tricky to spin on it's own. ALSO see below about the real one. [QUOTE=Fuse wrote: For this, you need someone with a menowa* mod to confirm it, so I doubt you'll get an answer in the near future.
Well, there are actually three menowa mods, a light one, a medium one and a heavy one (Menowa uses the heavy one.) They are also longer than this one and better at spinning. I would say this mod is not the kind I would expect you to mod, it is a showcase mod! I guess it is for inspiration. -
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2012 02:36:36
can u sub the needle point tips with signo tips? @eurocracy
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Date: Sun, Jul 8 2012 19:24:30
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Dragon wrote: can u sub the needle point tips with signo tips? @eurocracy
G3 tips are a good needlepoint sub. You can use signos if you do wish, however The needlepoints work best because they take more signo tip into the front, but any tip about the size of a needlepoint will work as a sub. -
Date: Thu, Jul 12 2012 11:53:00
The signo is probably better sub. not g3. i think signo is a smidge heavier
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Date: Sat, Dec 8 2012 12:44:14
Any way to extend it? It looks to short for me :p
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Date: Sun, Dec 9 2012 02:50:33
SwitchPalm wrote: Any way to extend it? It looks to short for me :p
just use 2 supertips connect the back with a bic round stic and a but of superglue and cut the body to the desired length you want -
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2012 09:44:51
flaming oracle wrote: just use 2 supertips connect the back with a bic round stic and a but of superglue and cut the body to the desired length you want
Ok thanks :xd: -
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2012 22:46:37
Wasn't this already posted? Why is it moved?
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Date: Sat, Jan 4 2014 15:28:33
Tip fusion is awesome! So is this tutorial!
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Date: Sat, Jan 4 2014 15:41:06
Mirai wrote: Tip fusion is awesome! So is this tutorial!
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