UPSB v4
Advanced Tricks / Backaround Fall and Rise
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Date: Thu, Jun 10 2010 23:57:35
The Backaround Fall and Backaround Rise are combos that involve the use of Backarounds and the use of Backaround Reverses, respectively. Technically speaking, a Backaround Fall would be broken down as: Backaround 12-23 > Backaround 23-34 > Backaround 34-T1 However, most people recognize the Backaround Fall as being: Fingerless Indexaround Reverse 12-12 > Pass 12-23 > Fingerless Middlearound Reverse 23-23 > Pass 23-34 > Fingerless Ringaround Reverse 34-34 > Fingerless Pinkyaround Reverse 34-34 Backaround Fall Video Tutorial by Pari Backaround Fall Video Tutorial by Xero Backaround Fall Video Tutorial by KTrinh93 --------- A Backaround Rise would be broken down as: Backaround 34-T1-23 > Backaround 23-T1-12 > Backaround 12-T1-12 A more prevalent interpretation of the "Backaround Rise" is: Fingerless Pinkyaround Reverse 34-34 > Pass Reverse 34-23 > Fingerless Ringaround Reverse 23-23 > Pass Reverse 23-12 > Fingerless Middlearound Reverse 12-12 > Pass Reverse 12-T1 > Fingerless Indexaround Reverse T1-T1 Backaround Rise Video Tutorial by Pari --------- UPSB Wiki entry
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Date: Sat, Jun 26 2010 15:51:33
yo eso, i know a BakAround 110%.. but when i try to do a BakFall.. i cant even pass to the 2 finger.. i do a bakaround at 1 then i try to continue to 2 and do another bakaround.. but i cant manage to do it.. y?
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Date: Sat, Jun 26 2010 18:05:18
DasToks wrote: yo eso, i know a BakAround 110%.. but when i try to do a BakFall.. i cant even pass to the 2 finger.. i do a bakaround at 1 then i try to continue to 2 and do another bakaround.. but i cant manage to do it.. y?
More information on what is happening when you try to link the two backarounds would be nice Try to let it spin around more. So if you catch it with your thumb, index, and middle (T12), let it spin that extra 0.5 rotation and catch it in index and middle (12) then do your middle backaround from there. Also I assume you do, but you should be able to do a mid backround first -
Date: Sat, Jun 26 2010 21:44:12
I have a really hard time doing the rev pinky back and then passing it to my ring finger for the rev ring back, any tips/ practice points? I have a really weird double joint which gets in the way and doesn't allow my ring finger to straighten all the way it over bends pal inward at the second the bottom knuckle = \.
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Date: Sun, Jun 27 2010 03:01:17
Try practicing Fingerpass Rev with your palm down. As far as I can see thats how you change slots so just work on getting that smooth.
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Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 12:31:02
i know how to do: Bak MidBak RingBack PinkyBack but when i try to connect.. i do a Bakaround.. then when i come with the Mid finger the pen flew out of the hand.. or if i catch i continue and then get stuck at the end of the MidBak spin.. help :(
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Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 14:43:41
I have not even started to practice backaround rise, until i just read through this thread. When i do my fingerless pinkyaround reverse. It feels like i am doing a devil's shadow 34-34. I don't know if that is alright. I'll try making it more into a fingerless motion.
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Date: Mon, Jun 28 2010 15:58:20
@dastoks, you shouldn't even be learning how to a bakfall right now you are a very new penspinner and you should wait to learn this. And for you guys having trouble with the bakrise, you dont have to do all the passes as eso said that is just how it is commonly notated, you just have to practice the fl pinkybak rev, but then you dont have to pass34-23, you just simply do a ringbak rev from 34 as if your ring finger is pulling on the pen, somewhat like a ringaround, then you pass 34-23 or fl pass 34-23 if you can, then do midbak rev like a middlearound as if you are pulling the pen with your middle finger, then pass from 23-12 or fl pass 23-12 if you can, and do a normal bak rev, just like a bust.
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Date: Sun, Jul 4 2010 15:47:12
Bakfall Tutorial: [video=youtube;yEhPEYvRYc8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEhPEYvRYc8[/video] Bakfall Slow-Mo: [video=youtube;COfmKGWv6Vw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COfmKGWv6Vw[/video]
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Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 14:36:28
Hai, well I kinda need help on my bakfall. See its kinda strange, I will do my index around > middle around > pinky around. I can't seem to get the pen around my ring finger. :eeek: [B]I NEED HELPPP!!!!!!!![/B] any suggestions will do. ty ^^
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Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 14:54:38
this thread was already made: http://forum.upsb.info/showthread.php?t=102
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Date: Sat, Aug 21 2010 15:05:30
yea. and KTrinh's tut is the reason i can now get the bakfall.
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Date: Sun, Aug 22 2010 15:15:19
i cant do the pinkbak i dont know how to start it or catch it... HELP PLEASE :eeek:
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Date: Sun, Aug 22 2010 15:53:08
Jan wrote: i cant do the pinkbak i dont know how to start it or catch it... HELP PLEASE :eeek:
Did u watch my bak tut? -
Date: Sun, Dec 5 2010 03:35:07
I really need help on my pink baks, I can bakfall from everyfinger. then once I get to the pinky. I do like an aerial type of bak. Its weird.
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Date: Sun, Dec 5 2010 04:04:58
For pinky bak, just have it in between your pinky and ring finger, with more of the pen on the side of your wrist. Then do a quick and kind of jerky motion with your wrist to do it.When I do it, my fingers mostly stay in the same position.
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Date: Sun, Dec 5 2010 04:59:45
@Riley Thanks! I did pinky back 7/10. Im getting the hang of it.
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Date: Wed, Dec 15 2010 17:33:03
cool, i got the bakfall quite quickly haha =D and also its possible to bust after the bakrise right?
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Date: Sat, Jul 2 2011 19:55:35
I'm having a problem with the ringbak part, I can't keep my ring finger up and the pen flys into the 34 slot. Help?
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Date: Sat, Jul 2 2011 23:35:00
Mastyk wrote: I'm having a problem with the ringbak part, I can't keep my ring finger up and the pen flys into the 34 slot. Help?
Practice ring bak by itself until it becomes more comfortable then try again. Ring bak is harder for some people then even pinky bak. Working on your fingerpass rev may help as well. If you are still having troubles work on your dexterity with some inv sonic 34-23, inv sonic rev 23-34, charge 24 and charge rev 24. This will build up your control of those lower slots, so whatever you end up doing with them will be a lot easier. -
Date: Sun, Jul 3 2011 09:13:11
Thanks :)
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Date: Tue, Jul 12 2011 06:05:33
Why can't I do bakrise? I have been practicing a long time and it's always the pinky and ring finger I mess up on. What am I doing wrong? ~KTSpinner~
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Date: Sat, Jul 23 2011 08:54:58
So it's bust 4>pass rev> bust 3> pass rev> bust 2> pass rev > bust 1 right
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Date: Sat, Jul 23 2011 22:25:36
lolful wrote: So it's bust 4>pass rev> bust 3> pass rev> bust 2> pass rev > bust 1 right
Yeah, that's a common interpretation of it, and thats what the video shows. However it would technically be back around rev rise; the opposite motion of a bak fall. A "true" bak rise would be pinky bak 34-34>ring bak34-34>pass rev 34-23>mid bak 23-23> pass rev 23-12>bak 12-12; bak's performed in an ascending manner. This is harder to do. Don't get bogged down in what you are doing is called though, names don't matter, your performance of it does. There is some ambiguity when trick modifiers get applied to mini combos. -
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 12:24:50
Yeah the problem is that "rise" and "fall" are not modifiers, and can only be applied to the first invented tricks, such as: sonic, pass, "rising fan", "falling fan" etc. I had a discussion about this with Zombo =S There are no "definitions" of what "rise" or "fall" are, but generally it works like this: Falling Fan = reverse [Rising Fan] Backfall = reverse [Backfall] as if Rising Fan or Backfall was a trick...
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Date: Fri, Jan 13 2012 04:00:23
hey im working on the bakfall or the koreanbackaround fall, but i always get stuck on the ring finger, any tips? ive practiced this thing for like 2 whole school days and still can't get it, any tips?
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Date: Fri, Jan 13 2012 06:59:33
@Boberbojoe i got bakfall about a month after i did my first bak, theres no rush, jeez everyone is learning so fast these days O_O well just practice the consistency of your midbak > pass 23-34 > ringbak just get used to throwing that off, once that is VERY consistent, use the same technique to get ringbak > pinkybak Good luck!
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Date: Mon, Jan 23 2012 12:52:39
[video=youtube;FYC4m53AWGQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYC4m53AWGQ&feature=related[/video]
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Date: Sat, Apr 21 2012 03:33:07
Soo I finally have my bakfall consistent :DD and now I'm trying to learn bakrise any tips on where to start practicing? Ring pinky etc.
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Date: Fri, May 4 2012 19:09:16
uhm.. i had the same problem-> tried it for like 10 mins but couldnt do it->month later(trying it again).....did it.. i dont know if it will help you but i do the index and middle at the same speed(using their momentum for the ringbak) and the position of my fingers while doing ringbak copies my midbak. (hope it helps)
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Date: Wed, May 9 2012 14:19:05
hey guys can u please help me out.. when i do the bakfall and get to the part where my middle finger passes the pen to my ring finger, my pinky finger goes up with the ring finger and therefore blocks the way of the pen. how do you avoid that?
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Date: Wed, May 9 2012 15:22:21
Midnight wrote: hey guys can u please help me out.. when i do the bakfall and get to the part where my middle finger passes the pen to my ring finger, my pinky finger goes up with the ring finger and therefore blocks the way of the pen. how do you avoid that?
Practice ringbak separately and pinky Bak separately when you can get them consistently learn ringbak to pinky Bak an after all that long and very boring practice (believe me I had to learn this aswell...took ages ) you should have fixed your problem. You could also do finger exercises to make your ring and pinky fingers independent. (>_<) -
Date: Thu, May 10 2012 12:53:34
ok thanks bro :)
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Date: Thu, May 10 2012 14:21:27
My Pinky Finger is somehow connected to my Ring Finger. For example, when I bend my Pinky Finger, my Ring Finger will bend too. This is a problem to me as it is difficult to do Ring Bak > Pinky Bak. Any help?
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Date: Thu, May 10 2012 14:44:54
Check out the post 2 above yours （＾∇＾）
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Date: Thu, May 10 2012 20:54:18
Obstracized wrote: My Pinky Finger is somehow connected to my Ring Finger. For example, when I bend my Pinky Finger, my Ring Finger will bend too. This is a problem to me as it is difficult to do Ring Bak > Pinky Bak. Any help?
Can you do ring bak and pinky bak seperately yet? If you haven't, learn those first, then try to practice them, then try putting them together -
Date: Fri, May 11 2012 04:37:38
Karrot wrote: Can you do ring bak and pinky bak seperately yet? If you haven't, learn those first, then try to practice them, then try putting them together
Yeah, I can, but only sometimes. I will say my Success Rate is around 70-75%. Most of my problems comes from the Ring Bak. -
Date: Fri, May 11 2012 21:37:21
Obstracized wrote: Yeah, I can, but only sometimes. I will say my Success Rate is around 70-75%. Most of my problems comes from the Ring Bak.
Keep practicing ring bak and pinky bak until you feel that they are good enough, then it would be easier to link them -
Date: Sat, May 12 2012 04:27:28
Karrot wrote: Keep practicing ring bak and pinky bak until you feel that they are good enough, then it would be easier to link them
Okay. Thanks for the help. :) -
Date: Sat, May 12 2012 09:09:02
Just try to move your pinky or your ring finger alone and not connected, it'll be easier for you to do backs then.
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Date: Sun, May 20 2012 04:23:29
Is it just me, or bakfall is easier to do once you've learned it but harder to learn, but backrise is easier to learn but harder to execute? =="