UPSB v4
Advanced Tricks / Multiple Bust
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Date: Thu, Jun 10 2010 05:27:48
This thread is for discussion on how to achieve multiple busts, whether it starts out with a Twisted Sonic Bust, Extended Thumbaround Bust, or any other trick that involves a Fingerless Indexaround. Video Tutorial by Pari Video Tutorial by NEPTUNE Video Tutorial by Eternal Video Tutorial by Ruin Video Tutorial by vicgotgame
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Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 08:16:07
Tutorial by Eso: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT4NAJG6awk Tutorial by KTrinh93: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX6pnTG6uYk Tutorial by Xero: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb82SA8xhjE
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Date: Fri, Jun 25 2010 20:51:01
omfg ever since i DL'ed the new 10.1 flash player beta youtube is as choppy as jacky chan D: should put up pictures for the unfortunate :P
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Date: Tue, Jun 29 2010 20:06:12
Not really a tutorial but some slow mos if that helps anyone out. =/ I still cant multiple bust consistently enough to film a tutorial.. sorry guys :( [video=youtube;HkKJRj_x3eE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkKJRj_x3eE[/video]
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Date: Wed, Jun 30 2010 08:59:30
A REAAALY helpful slow-mo video from vicgotgame. [video=youtube;r_jLMymV3jc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_jLMymV3jc[/video] And for some reason, I find this vid rather helpful as well. [video=youtube;myzwdmlRXL4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myzwdmlRXL4&playnext_from=TL&videos=jxJtivHtrEY[/video]
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Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 03:19:58
:O i can only get 3 and sometimes 4 xD
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Date: Fri, Jul 9 2010 03:37:01
im workin on 2 lmao x]
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Date: Tue, Jul 13 2010 22:39:36
Ice Cobra wrote: im workin on 2 lmao x]
Lols, same -
Date: Tue, Jul 13 2010 23:20:24
I working 3 cause I can usually get 2
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Date: Wed, Jul 14 2010 09:38:04
Can now get 7. ^^
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Date: Wed, Jul 14 2010 11:15:48
VendettaBF's twisted sonic bust AND twisted sonic multiple bust: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kwbD81dsIg
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Date: Wed, Jul 14 2010 16:27:21
VendettaBF wrote: VendettaBF's twisted sonic bust AND twisted sonic multiple bust: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kwbD81dsIg
lmao your voice -
Date: Wed, Jul 14 2010 20:27:27
all i hear is: "you know...you just....you know....it just works that way you know....just.....you know...." lol
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Date: Wed, Jul 14 2010 21:03:02
i could do 2 but i cant do more... i just falls when i try to make it go around.......
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Date: Wed, Jul 14 2010 22:07:31
15-20 with my right hand but only about 6-7 with left still need to improve it but I get the impression that i doesn´t improve with left for about 2 month -.-"
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Date: Wed, Jul 14 2010 22:21:06
Koksi wrote: 15-20 with my right hand but only about 6-7 with left still need to improve it but I get the impression that i doesn´t improve with left for about 2 month -.-"
wow you started spinning around the same time that i did and you can do 15-20 busts? o_O i suck D: -
Date: Thu, Jul 15 2010 02:38:49
KTrinh93 wrote: wow you started spinning around the same time that i did and you can do 15-20 busts? o_O i suck D:
I started in April this year and i have BARELY practice since summer started too much games >_> usually practice in class or late at night on school days don't do that anymore :p I can do 2 busts max >_> and thats already hard for me. Wow, i suck QQ T_T -
Date: Thu, Jul 15 2010 14:00:08
lamluong wrote: I started in April this year and ..... I can do 2 busts max >_> and thats already hard for me.
wow.. i couldnt double bust when i was at your level o_O youre at what 4 months? o_O -
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 17:37:25
no matter how many tutorials i watch...i still can not double or multiple bust!!!! i nearly pull my hear out doing so!!
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Date: Mon, Jul 19 2010 00:08:35
how do i ensure that the pen lands in the correct position (i.e. above the cog), after the first bust, for me to continue with the 2nd bust?
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Date: Mon, Jul 19 2010 00:10:43
Gr3gY wrote: how do i ensure that the pen lands in the correct position (i.e. above the cog), after the first bust, for me to continue with the 2nd bust?
basically you wait until the first bust is almost complete.. (the pen is perpendicular to your fingers) and then move ur index over.. -
Date: Mon, Jul 19 2010 02:40:20
my limit is 9 :/ only if i use my Vicgotgame Mod lol
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Date: Mon, Jul 19 2010 09:17:42
KTrinh93 wrote: basically you wait until the first bust is almost complete.. (the pen is perpendicular to your fingers) and then move ur index over..
ty but.. i dont really get it :? -
Date: Mon, Jul 19 2010 11:38:46
KTrinh93 wrote: wow you started spinning around the same time that i did and you can do 15-20 busts? o_O i suck D:
Dude KTrinh try having someone that started at the same time as you be vicgotgame good and then me be a little less than where you are. (he can bust so well that he never even counts anymore) I can only do 3 at most. I SUCK -__- -
Date: Mon, Jul 19 2010 21:53:37
I've only done 4 max...and it wasn't clean. I kinda wanna bust with my thumb out instead of in. I'm having trouble with that too.
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Date: Tue, Jul 20 2010 03:01:08
if you bust with your thumb out the pen will hit your thumb lol
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Date: Tue, Jul 20 2010 04:11:55
Wonder wrote: if you bust with your thumb out the pen will hit your thumb lol
not really.. i do it that way.. so does this dude.. [video=youtube;yDWfr-jiHbM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDWfr-jiHbM[/video] and im sure others do too.. -
Date: Tue, Jul 20 2010 09:30:20
i got 8x yesterday and i was like "fuck!! what the hell i'm doing!!!" LOL usualy i get 2-4 but this time i got 8 OMG
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Date: Thu, Jul 22 2010 06:17:45
Is the feel for multiple twisted sonic busts any different from the feel for extended thumbaround busts? I am better at ext ta busts but I can't do tw sonic busts cleanly using my muscle memory from the ext ta bust.
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Date: Thu, Jul 22 2010 13:23:07
sko1 wrote: Is the feel for multiple twisted sonic busts any different from the feel for extended thumbaround busts? I am better at ext ta busts but I can't do tw sonic busts cleanly using my muscle memory from the ext ta bust.
they are.. at least for me.. its the same i can ext ta busts more consistently.. i have a feeling its the angle at which the pen goes INTo the busts that makes it different but :dunno: -
Date: Thu, Jul 22 2010 15:33:34
I'm the opposite I fail at EXT TA busts, but am goodish decent and twisted sonic ones
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Date: Thu, Jul 22 2010 17:25:39
4 sometimes 5, i suck T___T
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Date: Thu, Jul 22 2010 17:31:26
we're all kinda straying away from the original topic of helping someone learn how to bust or give advice/tips.. so im gonna get back on track.. if u want to post ur bust records im sure theres a topic for that :) anyways... something i learned while i was trying to bust is that im more successful if my busts are as fast as my twisted sonic that leads into that.. ie i was always doing a fast twisted sonic into slow busts which of course flung the pen off to the side due to the extra momentum.. granted i could still double bust doing this but triple and over wasnt that successful.. sounds kinda obvious but i didnt notice that until my busts' speed matched my twisted sonic speed did i get more busts more often.. so that might help some people.. also.. bust speed.. again this is obvious but your finger has to keep moving at the same speed. for whatever reason i busted fast the first 2 busts or so and then slowed down.. so yeah.. idk just my mistakes that i make when im busting..
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Date: Thu, Jul 22 2010 18:07:19
You can do 3 or 4 more consistently if you bust slower. But if you wanna get some like 10+ busts, then bust faster. Although if you go faster you become less consistent. This is what happens for me although it may be different for you.
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Date: Thu, Jul 22 2010 19:44:52
I've got two down!! FINALLY!!!
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Date: Fri, Jul 23 2010 03:30:03
Darealone wrote: I've got two down!! FINALLY!!!
congradufuckinglations. Wanna cookie? -
Date: Fri, Jul 23 2010 05:45:40
Can someone tell me how to do more than a double busts? I can't keep the momentum going
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Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 10:00:26
FireFang wrote: Can someone tell me how to do more than a double busts? I can't keep the momentum going
Try putting COG mark on your mod.. Then watch it closely. After the 1st bust, the position of the 2nd bust must be like the 1st one. Do u get my point? And on the 3rd one, the COG must be somewhat inside between the index and mid finger, then bust it like the 2nd one and do it over and over. Also, when the pen doesn't really go around the index much, try fixing your busting angle. There is a correct or.. Atleast, appropriate busting position of the hand. Try to explore and copy bust styles ^^v -
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 15:31:09
FireFang wrote: Can someone tell me how to do more than a double busts? I can't keep the momentum going
Try my tutorial? [video=youtube;LX6pnTG6uYk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX6pnTG6uYk[/video] -
Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 17:35:39
my suggestion for busting/fl ta (i suck at fl ta just fyi) mark the cog. try to keep your finger is somewhat outside of it at all times. prractice. sorry if it doesnt help lol but thats all i can really say
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Date: Wed, Jul 28 2010 23:00:02
sigh i can only do like 5-8 max on mah right hand. Im trying to do more. Im waiting for my buster to arrive, hopefully it will help me XD
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Date: Wed, Aug 4 2010 17:30:51
chrisPS wrote: Can now get 7. ^^
i was on my 7th one and i failed to catch it X( but my record is 6 and im working on perfecting 4-5... i was wondering, when ur doing the twist sonic, the faster you speed it is it better? more momentum??? -
Date: Wed, Aug 4 2010 18:07:05
Read the post of mine at the top of the page, the same thing goes for twisted sonic. I prefer slow, it gives me more control, so I can do more consistant busts.
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Date: Fri, Aug 6 2010 01:10:47
im trying , but i can only double bust 2 out 10 times! it makes me want to punch a small cute baby kitty! but i wont of course i wont , ill just keep at it! man this trick is giving me trouble!
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Date: Wed, Aug 11 2010 14:50:30
we shoule start posting videos of us trying to do busts so that the 'more advanced' psers can help us out by telling us what were doing wrong... like: [video=youtube;Fzte43bAMMY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fzte43bAMMY[/video]
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Date: Fri, Aug 20 2010 07:19:23
warehouse and bust is a trick we need more exercise:)
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Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 12:40:40
Is a Twisted Sonic Multiple Bust (or in generaly any continuous trick) a Trick, a hybrid or a combo?
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Date: Mon, Aug 23 2010 13:02:05
MaSter_MiND_ wrote: Is a Twisted Sonic Multiple Bust (or in generaly any continuous trick) a Trick, a hybrid or a combo?
id have to say its a trick because you cant really break it down to simpler form. like hybrids are generally 2 tricks linked/interrupted by one another of which multiple busts arent. i suppose it could be considered a mini combo though.. considering that its many tricked linked together but i still think it classifies as a trick -
Date: Tue, Aug 24 2010 17:25:36
MaSter_MiND_ wrote: Is a Twisted Sonic Multiple Bust (or in generaly any continuous trick) a Trick, a hybrid or a combo?
Its a combo. Twisted sonic > bust x(X) -
Date: Sat, Aug 28 2010 04:49:19
double bust is one of the hardest tricks ive tried to learn.
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Date: Sat, Aug 28 2010 11:13:09
Isn't busting usually a very personalized sort of thing? It doesn't seem like something that people do similarly, which makes it a little harder to teach. It looks like most people eventually develop their own sort of "method" or "style", which slightly resembles whoever they were learning from.
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Date: Sat, Aug 28 2010 13:12:24
ScaringChildren wrote: Isn't busting usually a very personalized sort of thing? It doesn't seem like something that people do similarly, which makes it a little harder to teach. It looks like most people eventually develop their own sort of "method" or "style", which slightly resembles whoever they were learning from.
you hit the nail on the head with this. busting styles differ from person to person pretty much which DOES make it harder to learn and teach (which is why i'm assuming there aren't that many tutorials that have helped me personally :P) but yes the busting style depends on the person -
Date: Tue, Aug 31 2010 16:00:15
I can now double bust but now its time to move up the list. I Extremly need help. Everytime i reach bust 2, i either catch the pen or it falls off, any help?
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Date: Tue, Aug 31 2010 17:24:39
The motion for the third bust is exactly the same as for the second bust, so just focus on repeating the motion for another bust. All it takes is lots of practice. There really isn't a secret to getting it.
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Date: Thu, Sep 9 2010 16:58:12
I have been busting for around 7- weeks, is busting record 5 good at this rate??? its really hard, plz PM me tips for busting tyvm
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Date: Thu, Sep 9 2010 21:23:22
superk777 wrote: I have been busting for around 7- weeks, is busting record 5 good at this rate??? its really hard, plz PM me tips for busting tyvm
WHAT THE HECK. thats not possible.. 5 busts at 7 weeks? is all you do is busting? o_O -
Date: Sun, Sep 19 2010 19:11:06
does it have to be palm down when doing the twisted sonic bust to bak rev?
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Date: Tue, Sep 28 2010 11:49:12
Finally can do this trick, i found that after learning double bak which is 10x easier to learn then multiple busts (for me anyway) it becomes much easier to do.
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Date: Sat, Oct 9 2010 09:21:40
Is it possible to get better at busts by idly practicing it for long periods of time? Like just keep failing at it while watching T.V.?
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Date: Sun, Oct 10 2010 22:09:43
What helped me with busting (I'm still bad but I've gotten better) is looking at my finger and where and when I need to move it as the pen is going around. Surely there are people that can bust without looking but when you're learning it, it helps a lot to look at your hand and where the pen is.
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Date: Sat, Oct 16 2010 05:32:27
Cont. bak is like so much easier than cont busts..learned it recently and got it up to 11x but it did not help me at all at busting. fail
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Date: Sat, Oct 16 2010 06:27:11
umm can someone help me with multiple busts? i do tw sonic double bust but after the second one i attempt the third and although i can get it sometimes its not consistent. i seem to lose control if i do get the 3rd bust but attempt the 4th bust nd it ends up flying away... it either goes to fast or it doesnt get enough momentum. plz help:) its only been a month since ive been doing busts and my record is 7.
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Date: Thu, Oct 21 2010 23:44:23
when trying to do faster/more busts, are you supposed to spin more on the tip of your indexfinger? the 1/3 of the finger =.=>
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Date: Fri, Oct 22 2010 02:02:59
Jan wrote: when trying to do faster/more busts, are you supposed to spin more on the tip of your indexfinger? the 1/3 of the finger =.=>
generally yes you want to spin at the tip if you are a fast buster.. but faster = less control so i probably wouldnt try to fast bust when you're learning to bust.. unless you were naturally made to fast bust then go ahead. -
Date: Fri, Oct 22 2010 20:31:02
hmmm.... i really don't know which one i am cuz i can get 7 sometimes, but on other days, i can only get 2. i bust kinda slow for multiple, but up to 3, i do it somewhat fast
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Date: Sat, Oct 23 2010 00:57:58
for 2 months of practicing getting the motion i can get 3-15 =D i also knew this is possible Twisted Sonic Bust Cont. 23-23 record was 86 xD
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Date: Sat, Oct 23 2010 18:33:46
you make me feel pathetic with ur records... maybe i should practice 5 hours everyday..
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Date: Mon, Oct 25 2010 01:00:42
i working at 2 now .. this trick is totally hard ..
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Date: Mon, Oct 25 2010 12:46:10
i can only get 7 or sometimes 8
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Date: Mon, Oct 25 2010 14:10:32
Im trying to get 2. I got 2 the other day, but after that, i could never get it again....
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Date: Wed, Oct 27 2010 22:14:24
right now, my current record is 8, its really hard to repeat the motion a bunch of times
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Date: Thu, Oct 28 2010 05:09:08
if you feel like you get the feeling, but it doesnt work, fast busting seems to help. whenever i bust at the nail of my finger, i get more consistently. but remember, only if you feel like you know how it should feel. otherwise, stick to the near-base of your finger, even if it has more chance to get caught
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Date: Thu, Oct 28 2010 21:30:34
hmm.. k, thx for the tip
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Date: Sun, Nov 7 2010 01:48:49
im still have a hard time bust i can only do 2 bust :l
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Date: Sun, Nov 7 2010 16:14:19
my continous busts are more like continuous indexarounds... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL5HnsDQlrE
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Date: Sun, Nov 7 2010 16:55:14
spinnerhui wrote: my continous busts are more like continuous indexarounds... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL5HnsDQlrE
I myself cant do double busts yet, but it looks like that you're pushing it with your middle finger every time (correct me if im wrong), when you're supposed to have a flick of the wrist make the pen spin around your index continuously. ( i do shit busts, but I've seen slow-mos xD) -
Date: Sun, Nov 7 2010 18:50:16
Nevermind
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Date: Wed, Nov 17 2010 14:24:38
HOLY CRAP. Last night, I was just doing some homework, when i decided to try out double bust. I was trying for a little while, then BAM. It happened. I successfully did a double bust. I sat there motionless for about 5 seconds, then I literally yelled out, "YES!" I was so happy. After about 1 1/3 months of on and off practicing of trying to double bust, I finally did it. It was so awesome.
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Date: Thu, Nov 18 2010 15:51:52
[video=youtube;nMyEdVEugvU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMyEdVEugvU[/video] I finally did it! Im so freaking happy! =D
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Date: Sat, Nov 20 2010 05:54:19
spin almost 1 year and ahalf, i can do a double bust.. i rarely use it in combos though
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Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 04:56:55
Just curious... how consistent are everyone's busts? I seem to go into good busting periods and bad busting periods. Like, some days I can do 4 or 5 busts easily and some days I can barely do 2. Is this a case of lack of practice? (even though I practice like everyday >.>)
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Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 05:16:08
same with me. I can get 2 consistently but some days i get 4-5 while others i can barely get 3. i think it helps to warm up with different tricks beforehand, like fingerpasses.
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Date: Fri, Nov 26 2010 21:22:59
This is not exactly about multiple busts but... I need help with twisted sonic bust > bust > aerial bust...I can get the double bust down with ok consistency but I have a bit of trouble going into the aerial bust and a lot more trouble catching it in 12. like in what direction should the pen be pointing when I lift up my finger to catch it? (Also, I'm trying to connect it like twisted sonic bust > bust > aerial bust > bust > bust > aerial bust etc., if that makes a difference). Sorry for the very vague question but I really want to learn this combo
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Date: Fri, Nov 26 2010 22:05:28
??? wrote: This is not exactly about multiple busts but... I need help with twisted sonic bust > bust > aerial bust...I can get the double bust down with ok consistency but I have a bit of trouble going into the aerial bust and a lot more trouble catching it in 12. like in what direction should the pen be pointing when I lift up my finger to catch it? (Also, I'm trying to connect it like twisted sonic bust > bust > aerial bust > bust > bust > aerial bust etc., if that makes a difference). Sorry for the very vague question but I really want to learn this combo
This is quite difficult to do. Just try doing a bust>aerial bust>bust and mastering that before really going into it. Or try, TA>Spread>bust -
Date: Sat, Nov 27 2010 20:20:10
besides "practice" is there any way to determine if you're a fast or slow buster? i tend to be able to do both but i can bust fast while at the base of my finger which is really weird..
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Date: Sun, Nov 28 2010 06:30:22
OMG....I am boored .... i can do Fli AroundBut cANNOT DO Twisted Sonic Fli Around - Twissted Sonic Bust Heeeeeeeeeeeeeelpppppppppp
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Date: Sun, Nov 28 2010 13:26:14
Fli-Arounder97 wrote: Oi can do Fli AroundBut cANNOT DO Twisted Sonic Fli Around - Twissted Sonic Bust Heeeeeeeeeeeeeelpppppppppp
You'd have to be more specific if you want help with double busting. Just pointing something out that you have your notation is confusing. It should be Twisted Sonic Bust > FL IA if you want to put it that way but Twisted Sonic Fli Around - Twissted Sonic Bust is weird for notating it. -
Date: Sun, Nov 28 2010 14:58:46
what do you ean? that twisted sonic bust is other and twisted sonic + fli around other?
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Date: Sun, Nov 28 2010 17:52:03
Did you watch eso's video yet? I'd recommend it. If you have already, then just practice doing it with a normal IndexAround (not Fingerlessly). Once you get the motion down, work on making it fingerless.
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Date: Sun, Nov 28 2010 17:53:20
Fli-Arounder97 wrote: what do you ean? that twisted sonic bust is other and twisted sonic + fli around other?
Nevermind. Your notation was just a little weird and I couldn't really figure out what you were trying to say. -
Date: Sun, Nov 28 2010 18:09:42
I can't get the part when you're supposed to.. what do I say, lift it I guess... I lift it like at the wrong time, is there like a feel or something I should look out for to boost the momentum for the next bust?
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Date: Sun, Nov 28 2010 18:25:36
Did you watch eso's video yet? I'd recommend it.
hah i wathc that videos more than others and you can see also in my info : eso my favourite i am lefthnded too and left hand on main screeen is unproblemly -
Date: Thu, Dec 2 2010 15:12:54
i'm working on three even though i don't get 2 consistently
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Date: Thu, Dec 2 2010 15:14:04
can someone post a tutorial or help with getting a triple thumb bust
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Date: Thu, Dec 2 2010 23:23:51
Look up cont fingerless ta for that one.
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Date: Thu, Dec 2 2010 23:43:05
Hey guys, im currently putting together a tutorial for Multiple Busts that should gratefully help anyone whos stuck on this combo. :) WIll be up soon.
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Date: Fri, Dec 3 2010 03:30:01
YESSSSSSSSSS thank you Vic! :D :excited:
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Date: Fri, Dec 3 2010 03:35:03
I really need help on my multiple busts. I can only get 2 right now. And my double bust is pretty consistent. When I go for 3 or more. the pen just like bounces/hits my finger. I've watchd tutorials. and they all say different things. Vic moves his finger like diagonal (in a short motion). KTrinh slides his finger. xxx264? moves his hand in a circle. Eternal moves his hand downward(fingers stiff). And kUzu moves his hand sideways circular. So i really need help. Also I have seen in some videos their other fingers (2,3,4) are not really bent down, they are just casually up. But mines are somewhat bent down.
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Date: Fri, Dec 3 2010 17:02:09
Here you go guys. Hope this helps. This is based off how I learned busts. [video=youtube;TUYpVo14lWo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUYpVo14lWo[/video]
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Date: Sun, Dec 5 2010 16:35:29
was just doing the twisted sonic today and ended up trying to do the twisted sonic bust then after a few tries i got it! now i'm going to try and work on to bust atleast twice
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Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 00:12:34
@Vic Thanks! I really got the hang of it and on my first try, I got 5 in a row! Thanks for the tutorial! Oh, and what mod do you use? The mirror tip mod?
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Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 01:39:29
Whats the difference between twisted sonic bust and devils sonic?
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Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 02:42:51
@J A Z Z Why don't you check the thread out and find out for yourself?
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Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 04:07:44
@Vic Thanks! Nobody ever explained these things as much as you! I got 3 busts now:)
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Date: Mon, Dec 6 2010 06:07:35
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Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 05:37:33
Whenever I remember to use the flick motion vic said in the video, I'm very confident without the pen, but when I try it with the pen some reason I just try to keep it spinning and not fall. What do I do to make it so I can do the flick motion with the pen? All I do when I have the pen in my hand while trying multi busts is it just moves to the right. :(
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Date: Sat, Dec 11 2010 06:04:08
scout wrote: Whenever I remember to use the flick motion vic said in the video, I'm very confident without the pen, but when I try it with the pen some reason I just try to keep it spinning and not fall. What do I do to make it so I can do the flick motion with the pen? All I do when I have the pen in my hand while trying multi busts is it just moves to the right. :(
The motion for a double bust is similar to that of a double bak. Learning cont index bak is 10x easier then busting. If you know how to do the cont bak, a bust is simply that, in reverse and in a more horizontal manner.So i suggest you do learn in and try and apply the same motion when busting but in reverse. You just have to keep doing it, over and over untill you get it. Nothing anyone says will help u that much really, it just takes time. -
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2010 18:01:51
this is too hard... someone help please? i can do a single twisted sonic bust but cannot carry on i know how to get the motion for the next bust, but when i actually try it, it doesnt work =/
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Date: Wed, Dec 15 2010 17:18:14
i can do a single bust but when it comes to two or more thats when it challenges me. i have nearly mastered the single bust and i can execute the trick pretty much whenever i want. i now want to learn the multiple bust but thats where it gets tricky. here is my problem after i do the first bust i cant seem to get my finger to the other end of the pen to push it in order to perform the next bust, any tips?
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Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 13:26:55
i have the same problem also when i do more that two bust i keep the hand motion going but the pen stops halfway on my finger and dropped.
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Date: Sun, Dec 19 2010 13:28:10
i ve been practicing multiple bust for 9 months and still no progress yet:(
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Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 22:11:14
So I can now consistently do 3 ext ta busts and my record is at 9, but that was from dumb luck. I find that as I try to do more busts, the bust angle starts to grow more and more horizontal and that's how I mess up. Is there a way to adjust this?
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Date: Mon, Dec 20 2010 23:08:17
@casual Unfortunately, busting (and most cont. tricks) simply require tons of practice... So practice more? However, it would also help to know what kind of pen you may be using when you're practicing your busting... Try making your bust motion more circular, if possible.
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Date: Tue, Dec 21 2010 00:20:04
I practice predominantly with a Dr.KT, though the mod doesn't really affect my busting much as I usually only get one extra bust with the KT versus the MX. :/ But I never thought of making my bust motion more circular, I've always tried to make it more like a really flat oval. I'll keep that in mind.
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Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 01:39:38
Tip for some of you guys from my personal experience :) For heavier mods, you really don't flick as hard as you really think you need to. You just need momentum from the flick, so it's a very slight flick. For mods as the MX, you will need a bigger flick for it, as a lighter mod needs more momentum. This takes some practice guys, it's pretty hard but a great trick to learn to use for stuff like ending combos. P.S. Also, you guys should relax your whole arm, and your fingers. Helps much.
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Date: Wed, Dec 29 2010 17:41:17
can finally double bust =D but only like once or twice every ten minutes, got to keep practising =]
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Date: Wed, Dec 29 2010 20:02:15
After 1 year, practicing multiple bust is fail. Is it because I'm using a MX?
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Date: Wed, Dec 29 2010 20:30:39
it's a really hard trick. i'm using an MX too, and i've only gotten it about 10 times. a buster helps, but is unneccesary. maybe try to flatten the rotation to make it more horizontal. that's what works for me.
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Date: Wed, Dec 29 2010 20:36:49
for me, when i try to go in to the second motion, my finger does not go off the pen, or it becomes a arieal bust :(
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Date: Wed, Dec 29 2010 23:01:10
your finger is'nt meant to come off the pen. it's meant to slide down or up it, whichever method you are using. maybe try the one that you're not using. both work, but for some, one is easier than the other. see if you can find a video tutorial where the spinner is sliding their finger the opposite way that you are. hope that made sense :S
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Date: Wed, Jan 19 2011 03:38:10
I can't learn this trick D: Needs to know how long it takes on average. I've been practicing for about a week now i can't even do double bust.
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Date: Wed, Jan 19 2011 04:27:02
it depends on a lot of things. it took me about a week, learning with a Dr. Kt. using a buster won't take as long, and the other way around, using a light mod like a comssa will take a while.
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Date: Wed, Jan 19 2011 04:29:31
I've been spinning for nearly 3 years and still don't know it, its overrated :P
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Date: Sat, Jan 22 2011 03:49:35
i do better on busting when i perform it with a fake double. i think that if the pen is more horizontal, busting is easier (along with VicGotGame's middle finger method). but imma stik to twisted sonic multiple busts.
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Date: Sat, Feb 5 2011 07:41:28
i can only do double bust and im working on busting for 3 months :( i expected to make 4 on my 3rd month but no such luck...
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Date: Sun, Feb 6 2011 05:26:54
hmm. been practicing for about a month now.i can get 3 consistently. but cant get more than that. RAGE
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Date: Mon, Feb 7 2011 00:52:06
Here's my bust atm. (3) I can't keep up the momentum. Any tips, or what am I doing wrong? [video=youtube;TM5-ThaWHjs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM5-ThaWHjs[/video]
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Date: Mon, Feb 7 2011 01:30:37
Practice. It's always the solution, for every trick you ever have problems with. Though it's okay to take out your frustrations on upsb. I do that too. xP
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Date: Mon, Feb 7 2011 03:30:39
wohoo!!!! ive been bustin for 2 weeks just got to 4 bust after watching ktrinh's tut only 2 or 3 consistently tho... i kinda feel like im slapping my pen down for the sliding motion... is that right?
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Date: Mon, Feb 7 2011 11:47:00
Which trick is harder, this or the double/multiple thumbaround?
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Date: Mon, Feb 7 2011 14:53:13
Hix ... dunno why but only can bustx2 :| And the pen always "jumps" out of my hand >.> Any ideas ?
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Date: Wed, Feb 9 2011 04:21:52
I can NEVER do 2 or more busts DDDD:
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Date: Fri, Feb 18 2011 21:22:53
Metronome wrote: I can NEVER do 2 or more busts DDDD:
same lol, but occassionally every ten minutes or so i get 2 busts xD -
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 23:59:51
umm so i kinda need some help on pinky busting. The pen always seems to fall as soon as it does .5 rotations around the pinky. I tried to keep the pinky up (like in a hai tua) to prevent the pen from falling but then i can't catch. any help? oh an i didnt know where to post this. I didnt want to make a new thread.
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Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 03:53:33
I feel incredibly sexy as per the fact that I've been spinning for more or less a month and a half and I can do a Twisted Sonic Double Bust :)
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Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 04:12:42
@Freakman026 i got triple bust consistently after 3 weeks...
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Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 18:40:08
lol no more sexy feeling.
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Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 20:57:07
@Cloud Being able to do one trick is no representation of skill. Also Cloud your status seems to contradict your statement.
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Date: Sun, Feb 20 2011 22:14:45
@sangara i know... i havent updated in a while... gotta change it and thats true... but i can be a real buzzkill note the :lol no more sexy feeling haha
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Date: Sun, Feb 27 2011 11:17:11
I did my first twisted sonic double bust last night after about 15 minutes of practice. Vicgotgames tutorial helps alot. Especially the part that he shows the twisted sonic bust from below his hand. thank you vic.
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Date: Mon, Feb 28 2011 16:13:27
eazi-penspinner wrote: I did my first twisted sonic double bust last night after about 15 minutes of practice. Vicgotgames tutorial helps alot. Especially the part that he shows the twisted sonic bust from below his hand. thank you vic.
yup, i got my first double bust two days ago vic's tut is probably the best, as i think that he is the only one who explains about the push with the middle finger when i watched ktrinhs vid he said to move the finger to the end of the pen for the next bust, so i tried that and couldnt do it, now that i push with my middle finger, i can double bust -
Date: Tue, Mar 1 2011 04:36:49
y is it that i cant triple bust but i can bust->air bustx2
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Date: Tue, Mar 1 2011 05:14:03
Van wrote: y is it that i cant triple bust but i can bust->air bustx2
Just keep practicing. You'll be able to get it eventually. The reason could be because how you practice is more orientated towards air bust. Cont. tricks are always about practice so you'll be able to get 3 bust. -
Date: Tue, Mar 1 2011 05:17:21
Isn't using your middle finger for busting considered a cont. indexaround? Or is it that you're using it just barely, that it's considered a bust?
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Date: Tue, Mar 1 2011 05:37:29
@Riley no the middle finger is used as a contact mechanism to initate the push started by the motion of the wrist. In an indexaround, THe force comes from the motion of the moving middle finger.
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 03:29:48
Hey guys, I just started spinning about 1.5 months ago and I can barely do double. The pen doesn't go around my index finger as well as it does the first time I did bust. BTW, I'm using a CYL Buster if you guys were wondering.
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 03:53:38
@iPhat it's a difficult trick so it's not easy to get very fast but I don't recommend learning this trick this early in your pen spinning career.
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 04:33:14
I can do like five busts correctly w/ vic's method. but then after five, it start getting sloppy and goes into like some weird drag and drop method. Then my pen runs outta momentum at like 7 or 9
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 06:08:58
Sam wrote: I can do like five busts correctly w/ vic's method. but then after five, it start getting sloppy and goes into like some weird drag and drop method. Then my pen runs outta momentum at like 7 or 9
This is actually what happens to me. Generally after maybe the 6th bust, they start to not spin at the same angle in relation to my finger. Like the busts will start to slant more and more until I drop. D: -
Date: Sun, Mar 20 2011 02:32:25
There is a tutorial by vicgotgame and here is a double bust video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNUKQTl7lp0
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Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 04:44:36
vicgotgame has the best busting tut ever. the middle finger thing is the key to busting.
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Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 05:55:18
@iPhat learn it when you have more experience.
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Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 06:01:27
does anybody actually not use vic's method to start learning how to bust
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Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 06:28:36
the noodler wrote: does anybody actually not use vic's method to start learning how to bust
those who learnt busts a long time before vic's tut came out may not use vic's method ofc xD (e.g. i learnt from nory, so my middle finger is not used in index busts at all) -
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 06:32:57
I never saw it so I have no idea. :) ¤KTSpinner¤
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Date: Tue, Apr 5 2011 04:50:57
Hello i was wondering if im doing the twisted sonic bust correct or not my friends say your not doing it correctly but i dont know here is a video of me doing the TSB http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQgDh-jXIDY Advice would be helpful.
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Date: Tue, Apr 5 2011 04:53:47
Reverse pass 23-12 > indexaround 12-12 is what i saw mmm not twisted sonic bust u gotta do a twisted sonic then indexaround.. basically do a charge then interrupt it with that reverse pass to 12.. just look it up on youtube hope i helped :)
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Date: Tue, Apr 5 2011 04:57:33
i know im doing a TS but my concern is that how im doing the index around my friend says im doing the indexaround "palm up" and the whole TSB should be palm down
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Date: Tue, Apr 5 2011 05:06:24
ILikePens wrote: i know im doing a TS but my concern is that how im doing the index around my friend says im doing the indexaround "palm up" and the whole TSB should be palm down
i tried to copy your angle and this is what its supposed to look like your twisted sonic lacks 'spin' ..practice :spin: and as for your palm.. try to keep it down it makes the IA look better hope i helped.. bed time for me now :zzz: -
Date: Tue, Apr 5 2011 05:26:00
Thank you Stare you helped me greatly with your video :D
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Date: Wed, Apr 6 2011 19:14:49
[video=youtube;l7EmwTxkf7Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7EmwTxkf7Y[/video] This tut will be helpful.
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Date: Sat, Apr 9 2011 22:38:40
@i.suk may i ask for the link to norys tutorial?
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Date: Sat, Apr 9 2011 22:55:22
Sam wrote: @i.suk may i ask for the link to norys tutorial?
as far as i know he doesn't have a tutorial, i just tried to copy his hand/finger positions and movement -
Date: Tue, Apr 12 2011 02:10:21
[video=youtube;B64d5d1pJTs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B64d5d1pJTs[/video] thoughts?
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Date: Tue, Apr 12 2011 10:54:13
You should be catching the fingerless indexaround palm down and the hand motion for fingerless indexaround should be moving slightly to the right rather than upwards :3
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Date: Tue, Apr 12 2011 13:22:53
Nz wrote: You should be catching the fingerless indexaround palm down and the hand motion for fingerless indexaround should be moving slightly to the right rather than upwards :3
are u that Nz from THPSC? :O -
Date: Tue, Apr 12 2011 13:33:43
No I think ... New Zealand ...
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Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 01:08:28
Im still pretty new to penspinning so im not sure if this is wat most ppl do but when i do TSB, I do it all palm down until the index around where i kinda do it with my palm to the side. the whole thing palm down i think will help with multiple bust
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Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 01:18:17
I'm also working on this and on my first indexaround/bust(watevr u wanna call it)my fingers always end up towards the opposite side of where i started making it hard to do a second bust. anyone know how to fix this?
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Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 03:18:47
ShIoHiTo wrote: I'm also working on this and on my first indexaround/bust(watevr u wanna call it)my fingers always end up towards the opposite side of where i started making it hard to do a second bust. anyone know how to fix this?
If you're right handed, move your hand/finger to the right more, to set it up on the correct side. -
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 05:36:28
for some reason i can get 2 pretty good it's just if i do more i cant seem to get it sometimes i just spinning it too fast for me to reacted but the other time i just cant come close
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Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 07:40:10
miyat wrote: [video=youtube;B64d5d1pJTs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B64d5d1pJTs[/video] thoughts?
don't make pen spin so 'perpendicular' to index finger (confusing wording), make spin of pen more horizontal than what you are doing...also try to flatten hand so middle, ring and pinky fingers are stretched out; when catching final bust you should try to have those fingers stretched out as well (makes it look better) angle used is alright xD pretty smooth too. -
Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 17:25:45
why is it that i still cant do more than 4x bust after nearly 2 years ;_; watched quite a number of tuts too..
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Date: Wed, Apr 13 2011 17:28:05
the video is private?
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Date: Fri, Apr 15 2011 19:13:41
Riley wrote: If you're right handed, move your hand/finger to the right more, to set it up on the correct side.
Thx i got double a few times now i guess ill get it everytime soon -
Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 06:19:25
i just started out learning this trick, whenever i do the indexaround i always turn my hand... i can't do the indexaround fingerless yet any tips?
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Date: Sun, Apr 24 2011 06:29:31
I have mastered this trick since the thread was made for doing the index around for me what i did was turn my palm a little bit and lower all fingers but the index that is how i do it.
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Date: Mon, Apr 25 2011 03:07:15
i soo jelous that some ppl after 6 months they already can do 11 bust i ve beeen spinning for more than year and i can only do two :(
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Date: Mon, Apr 25 2011 03:36:58
Whenever I get to my 3rd bust, the pen starts moving away from my hand, and I copy exactly what vic says to do in his tut. How do I regain control of my pen when this happens? Is there a way to prevent this?
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Date: Mon, Apr 25 2011 05:21:46
@scout You have to remember to wrap the pen down w/ your index finger to keep it in place. also do not whack the pen w/ your middle finger. just use the pen's momentum and slightly tap it w/ the middle finger or else it'll go flying(aerial bust if you dont whack it to the side). so remember to wrap w/ index finger which takes some getting used to. and remember to tap it slightly w/ middle finger. Guys I found this pretty good tutorial that helped me a lot. can get like 4~5 busts consistently http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97yIYcm5h7I
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Date: Mon, Apr 25 2011 13:24:13
I can only do 3 bec. the pen will fly at the 4th bust.
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Date: Mon, May 23 2011 17:36:08
Umm, is this trick supposed to be easy to learn? Cuz it's kinda scaring me that I literally mastered this trick in ten minutes. Could it be because that I learned shadow first?
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Date: Mon, May 23 2011 19:59:04
daniel0731ex wrote: Umm, is this trick supposed to be easy to learn? Cuz it's kinda scaring me that I literally mastered this trick in ten minutes. Could it be because that I learned shadow first?
lol i dont understand how this trick has any similarities with a shadow and you being able to master this trick in ten minutes shows that you have talent -
Date: Fri, May 27 2011 15:52:14
Is this a twisted sonic bust? I read some tutorial say that twisted sonic bust is twisted Sonic + [B]fingerless[/B] indexaround. What i am doing is only twisted sonic + normal indexaround [video=youtube;mi6qUIw2Ww4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi6qUIw2Ww4[/video]
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Date: Fri, May 27 2011 15:57:35
@sasuak Yes what you do look like normal indexaround but not fingerless one, but it's ok for beginning. Just do more practice and try to push with your index finger only. It would advance soon.
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Date: Fri, May 27 2011 16:45:08
sasuak wrote: Is this a twisted sonic bust? I read some tutorial say that twisted sonic bust is twisted Sonic + [B]fingerless[/B] indexaround. What i am doing is only twisted sonic + normal indexaround [video=youtube;mi6qUIw2Ww4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi6qUIw2Ww4[/video]
yes you are doing it correctly -
Date: Sun, Jun 5 2011 10:43:36
[video=youtube;BblH9tTSm5A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BblH9tTSm5A[/video] sorry for 1 1/3 month revive (LOL =__=), but here is a video with busts in slow motion (x 1/2) from many angles
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Date: Sun, Jun 12 2011 03:57:09
Name some busting styles that are particular to a spinner. Here are some examples: Spinnerpeem: Finger tucked in, index straight and fully extended, lots of wrist motion Supawit: Around the tip of the finger Nory and i.suk: All fingers extended, index slightly raised Vicgotgame: using the middle finger bounce, subtle hand twists etc etc. Post some if I mised some. Which are the most effective for you? Which ones look best? My favorite is Vicgotgame's. So sexy.
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Date: Sun, Jun 12 2011 05:25:15
Don't know if Nz's style is similar to Peem but I like his best :) So beautiful :)
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Date: Sun, Jun 12 2011 05:30:01
I like vicgotgame's and spinnerpeem's way of busting best :3 but mostly i wish i could bust like spinnerpeem!
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Date: Sun, Jun 12 2011 05:37:36
I like Nz's busting the best too. So clean. :)
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Date: Sun, Jun 12 2011 06:00:51
VGGs :D
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Date: Sun, Jun 12 2011 06:14:25
Nz's style is kinda between mine and supawit's (i think xD); also possibly of interest is what style evolution used to get his x488 =__="
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Date: Sun, Jun 12 2011 06:20:22
Eternal's style is beautiful. His palm is basically on the table, only the index slightly raised and when he busts, his whole palm is just on the table. s777 used to bust like this too in his 2 year solo, but he changed it :(
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Date: Sun, Jun 12 2011 06:26:43
My favorite busting style is Rex's. Saw of JEB has a very cool busting style too.
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Date: Sun, Jun 12 2011 07:39:00
peem is the best =p
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Date: Sun, Jun 12 2011 07:54:14
BaoO: His fingers are strechted in a very sexy way and every bust looks like it's going to be the last one. Very cool, he makes them look really hard.
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Date: Wed, Jun 22 2011 15:12:29
THANKS!
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Date: Sun, Jun 26 2011 20:13:52
Can anyone help, everytime I do a double bust the second becomes an arial and then I catch. It doesn't wrap around, just hoes in the air every time..
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Date: Mon, Jun 27 2011 04:38:34
@Breezy thats the problem i had... you need a little less flick in your wrist. my busts get a little airborne but its just a matter of practice yo'
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Date: Mon, Jun 27 2011 17:59:56
Breezy wrote: Can anyone help, everytime I do a double bust the second becomes an arial and then I catch. It doesn't wrap around, just hoes in the air every time..
dont push as hard -
Date: Tue, Jun 28 2011 17:11:55
Ight tht helped thnx
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Date: Wed, Jun 29 2011 12:17:27
i love this trick!!!! but my best is only 8 :facepalm: i usually gets 3
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Date: Sun, Jul 17 2011 07:09:41
unnzzy wrote: i love this trick!!!! but my best is only 8 :facepalm: i usually gets 3
i love this trick too! my best only 12 i wan to break it T^T -
Date: Tue, Jul 26 2011 13:59:04
I need to learn twisted sonic double bust ..... anyone please help me. :'(
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Date: Tue, Jul 26 2011 14:00:56
give up and learn other things until you are good enough to pick up double bust in a day or 2
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Date: Tue, Jul 26 2011 16:26:05
well first you have to master a normal twisted sonic bust. MASTER, not just do. and when u get that right, just do a fingerless indexaround after the first one. but u can watch ktrinh93s tutorial on it. it rly helps.
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Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 13:39:54
i have a problem.. i saw at tutorials that people say that if you finish your bust at the end of your pen u cant multi bust. u need to finish the first bust atleast in the middle of the pen. is that correct? because i finish my bust at the end(other side of the spin point) and its hard for me to make another one..
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Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 15:03:45
DasToks wrote: i have a problem.. i saw at tutorials that people say that if you finish your bust at the end of your pen u cant multi bust. u need to finish the first bust atleast in the middle of the pen. is that correct? because i finish my bust at the end(other side of the spin point) and its hard for me to make another one..
Usually you finish busts with most of the pen facing away from you (like how you start tw sonic busts, except in the 12 finger slot). You then follow what the tutorial says. -
Date: Wed, Jul 27 2011 15:52:23
thats right ^ yet its hard to just "move" the hand forward before then second bust. lmao @Cube
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Date: Mon, Aug 1 2011 13:37:07
I know VGG has a unique busting method. By using the middle finge [video=youtube;TUYpVo14lWo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUYpVo14lWo[/video] Some people do their busting by moving their hands up to warp around after a bust. [video=youtube;myzwdmlRXL4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myzwdmlRXL4[/video] Any other unique ways you guys bust?
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Date: Mon, Aug 1 2011 15:28:44
I move my hand up the pen and then do a motion as if im clicking a mouse, but for some reason it only works for double busting once i get into triples or more i just wrap my finger around :PP
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Date: Mon, Aug 1 2011 16:06:09
[video=youtube;qFvz6trJEBk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFvz6trJEBk[/video] ye...
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Date: Mon, Aug 1 2011 16:23:12
Sorry that this is a bit off topic (well sorta) but I just wanted to point something out. I think someone said this already in another (pretty similar) thread, but vics busting method that you say is "unique" because he uses his middle finger to push the pen isnt actually unique. Its the way pretty much everyone busts. Itd be really hard to ONLY use the index finger, although i guess some people can, like peem? (I dunno about him, youd have to watch his busts in slomo)
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Date: Mon, Aug 1 2011 16:27:21
yeah, iirc there was another thread bout this
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Date: Mon, Aug 1 2011 16:43:37
My busting method is a merge between Vic's method and using only the index...
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Date: Mon, Aug 1 2011 16:55:21
There is already a thread for this.
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Date: Mon, Aug 1 2011 17:10:07
vic method works. you can try to move around your index but not too much
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Date: Tue, Aug 2 2011 00:04:33
http://forum.upsb.info/showthread.php?t=100 All the previous busting threads were moved here. Note that both those busting methods require the middle finger to push it. It is needed to bust unless you apply the pinky bust method to the index finger where you will get a lot of air. Make a fist with the index pointing out and when you bust that why you'll have to compensate with a big hand movement. on a side note, fel2fram did a index knuckle bust as well [video=youtube;9dy8iabkAzc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dy8iabkAzc[/video] The finisher
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Date: Thu, Sep 15 2011 10:45:56
Hey guys, I was just wanting some help with a bust. Whenever I try the trick I get stuck on the index around because the pen hits my thumb. I think the pen is on the wrong angle or something but I'm not sure. Could you maybe suggest some help for me, thanks. ~AJ
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Date: Thu, Sep 15 2011 11:50:07
bump ~AJ
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Date: Thu, Sep 15 2011 12:07:02
ahm, AJ, this is my problem too before. . Well, this is what I've done.... after one bust, I made it jump a little to make another bust. . You'll know the hand movement there.. . (I can do 15 busts nao)
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Date: Thu, Sep 15 2011 12:11:35
search KTrinh's channel for the double bust tut ....
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Date: Thu, Sep 15 2011 12:14:22
Maybe your thumb's in the way. Hope this tutorial works for you.
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Date: Thu, Sep 15 2011 21:16:45
Thanks guys I'll give that a go. ~AJ
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Date: Thu, Sep 15 2011 23:01:46
Just lift your index and with practice, it'll work (I learned the bust not so long ago).
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Date: Thu, Sep 15 2011 23:07:39
try different angles of throwing the bust, i bust with my thumb out and its working for my very well xD ( my record is 6 x) busting is something that takes A LOT of practice and time Good Luck!
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Date: Fri, Sep 16 2011 01:08:15
Danny116 wrote: try different angles of throwing the bust, i bust with my thumb out and its working for my very well xD ( my record is 6 x) busting is something that takes A LOT of practice and time Good Luck!
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Date: Sun, Sep 18 2011 05:14:17
Thanks guys, I checked out Vicgotgame's tutorial and learnt from him. I just did my first double multiple bust 'bout 1 minute ago!:) It's so god damn hard to learn.
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Date: Sun, Sep 18 2011 10:49:41
Hey guys, I was just wanting to know how do you bust? It may help me with my busting, I'm trying new ways to bust. The way I bust at the moment is by Vicgotgame's way, where you hit the pen with your middle finger. Thx ~AJ
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Date: Sun, Sep 18 2011 13:57:22
I bust slightly like peem. Index finger is straightened and the other fingers are closed . :)
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Date: Sun, Sep 18 2011 14:11:56
I take the pen then I do a twisted sonic bust. Then I repeat the last part.
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Date: Sun, Sep 18 2011 14:40:08
[video=youtube;D_3tWmvKD9o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_3tWmvKD9o[/video] like that.
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Date: Sun, Sep 18 2011 15:51:46
I don't want to seem like a dick, but i just wanted to point something out. When you say "The way i bust is VicGotGames way, where you hit the pen with your middle finger", thats just the normal way of busting. Theres different styles of how people position their hands while busting, (like people may curl their fingers up, stick their pinky up, relax their hand, etc) but theres pretty much only one way you can get the pen around your finger, and that's by using your middle finger. It might not look like someone's using their middle finger, (like when peem busts) but if you watch his busting in slow-mo, you'll see that he DOES use his middle finger. Itd be near impossible (still possible, but HIGHLY unused and unlikely to be done good) to bust only using your index, or any other way. I guess when vic made his tut lots of people thought "Oh, that must be Vics own personal way of busting, using his middle finger!". But really, he was just the first one to point out that you use your middle finger while busting. Alright so my rant is over, just had to put that out there. Sorry if i sounded like a dick, i just wanted to make that point. Back to the topic, i usually bust with my index straightened, pinky slightly sticking up but still curled, and middle and ring fingers relaxed.
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Date: Sun, Sep 18 2011 16:09:58
Like a mixture of Evolution and NZ. Anyways, theres already a pretty similar thread to this on this board.
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Date: Sun, Sep 18 2011 21:31:22
wotu1 wrote: I don't want to seem like a dick, but i just wanted to point something out. When you say "The way i bust is VicGotGames way, where you hit the pen with your middle finger", thats just the normal way of busting. Theres different styles of how people position their hands while busting, (like people may curl their fingers up, stick their pinky up, relax their hand, etc) but theres pretty much only one way you can get the pen around your finger, and that's by using your middle finger. It might not look like someone's using their middle finger, (like when peem busts) but if you watch his busting in slow-mo, you'll see that he DOES use his middle finger. Itd be near impossible to bust only using your index, or any other way. I guess when vic made his tut lots of people thought "Oh, that must be Vics own personal way of busting, using his middle finger!". But really, he was just the first one to point out that you use your middle finger while busting. Alright so my rant is over, just had to put that out there. Sorry if i sounded like a dick, i just wanted to make that point. Back to the topic, i usually bust with my index straightened, pinky slightly sticking up but still curled, and middle and ring fingers relaxed.
Nah man, that's ok. But I'm Pretty sure that KTrinh93 just slides his finger up and doesn't use his middle finger (correct me if I'm wrong). ~AJ -
Date: Sun, Sep 18 2011 22:07:30
Darkcore7 wrote: Nah man, that's ok. But I'm Pretty sure that KTrinh93 just slides his finger up and doesn't use his middle finger (correct me if I'm wrong). ~AJ
Alright, cool thanks for not taking it as an insult or anything. And ktrinh93 uses his middle finger, as you can see in this vid: [video=youtube;HkKJRj_x3eE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkKJRj_x3eE[/video] You can see him use his middle finger clearly in the 50% slow-mo -
Date: Mon, Sep 19 2011 02:02:03
Hippo2626 wrote: http://forum.upsb.info/showthread.php?t=100 All the previous busting threads were moved here. Note that both those busting methods require the middle finger to push it. It is needed to bust unless you apply the pinky bust method to the index finger where you will get a lot of air. Make a fist with the index pointing out and when you bust that why you'll have to compensate with a big hand movement. on a side note, fel2fram did a index knuckle bust as well [video=youtube;9dy8iabkAzc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dy8iabkAzc[/video] The finisher
There was a thread on this before: http://forum.upsb.info/showthread.php?t=6848 As I've said in the above quote, it is possible to bust without the middle finger but all of them are high-leveled, super-advanced, nearly-no-one-uses-them busting methods, Other than that[SIZE="4"] ALL COMMON BUSTING "METHODS" REQUIRE THE MIDDLE FINGER TO PUSH IT[/SIZE] What is a bust? A fingerless index around. What does fingerless mean? Executing a trick with a different type of push commonly with the wrist movement (push finger does not move but the force is generated by the wrist movement) What is an indexaround? The pen goes around the index finger, being pushed with the middle finger. Therefore a bust is, an index around being pushed by the middle finger but the force is generated by the wrist movements. (middle finger is the contact but the force is generated by the wrist movement to push the pen) The only difference between vic's busting and the more common ones like supawit is their STYLE of busting. Vic's style is to bust closer the the palm (the inner most phalanx) while supa is on the outer phalanx. If you don't believe me try this: Clamping in 2,3 and 4 and do ext ta bust. (if you bust like supawit) and make sure that your middle finger is always touching your palm. The only way to bust that way is to map the style of pinkybusting to the index finger. -
Date: Tue, Sep 20 2011 14:15:55
Uhm is my way of doing the index around correct? instead of doing it on the middle of my index, i slide it at the base of my index, smth like a shadow... Isit like danny? people have different style and that is my style? or am i doing it wrong? help!
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Date: Wed, Sep 21 2011 10:10:17
Awesomex3 wrote: Uhm is my way of doing the index around correct? instead of doing it on the middle of my index, i slide it at the base of my index, smth like a shadow... Isit like danny? people have different style and that is my style? or am i doing it wrong? help!
Hey Awsomex3, you can do it the way your are doing it now but in the long run it won't be very good. Doing the around at the base of the finger has a disadvantage because your middle finger will get in the way when doing more difficult tricks. I guess though you could still do the around that way. -
Date: Fri, Oct 21 2011 01:31:58
Hello. I have a question about multiple busting. Is multiple busting a fingerless move? Or do we push the pen a little with the middle finger to force it over the index finger?
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Date: Fri, Oct 21 2011 01:33:07
its fingerless you just move your finger forward to get it to spin around again
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Date: Fri, Oct 21 2011 01:34:35
xuan wrote: Hello. I have a question about multiple busting. Is multiple busting a fingerless move? Or do we push the pen a little with the middle finger to force it over the index finger?
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Date: Fri, Oct 21 2011 01:49:20
Hippo2626 wrote: It is a fingerless trick. However the Middle is still used to be the contact to push (force generated isn't generated from the middle finger but the movement of the wrist movement.
Wow, thanks. That was helpful. I usually use my middle finger to generate momentum, which is probably why I can't get a high number of busts. I tend to lose momentum after my 5-7th bust. -
Date: Fri, Oct 21 2011 19:23:34
i can barely do 5
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Date: Sun, Oct 23 2011 00:20:50
I suck I can do only 6
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Date: Sun, Oct 23 2011 08:39:40
its just very rarely that i can do 5
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Date: Mon, Oct 24 2011 03:52:51
I can do 5 consistantly.
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Date: Mon, Oct 24 2011 13:28:09
record is 12 now. i can do 4 consistently
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Date: Mon, Oct 24 2011 15:14:48
My record nao is 22 can do 8 consistently :(
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Date: Mon, Oct 24 2011 22:27:18
6 :P 3 consistantly :biglaugh:
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Date: Mon, Oct 24 2011 22:44:53
Please do not go of topic. This thread is to discuss how to bust. There already is a thread for how many bust you can do here: http://forum.upsb.info/showthread.php?t=1717
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Date: Sat, Oct 29 2011 05:25:23
I need help. I'm kinda at a crossroads right now because I can do twisted sonic double bust by hitting the pen and letting it hover above my finger and I can also do it without hitting my finger. My question is which one do I practice?
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Date: Mon, Jan 23 2012 12:56:39
[video=youtube;Egw5VsKEAWQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egw5VsKEAWQ[/video]
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Date: Mon, Jan 23 2012 13:05:38
@HobbyLogics Do it by hitting with finger because it makes it easier
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Date: Tue, Jan 24 2012 10:02:20
Not everyone feels comfortable with that method. The best advice I can give you is to stall a tiny bit after the first bust, and then jerk the index finger forward for subsequent busts. The microscopic delay makes all the difference in the world.
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Date: Tue, Jan 24 2012 12:07:59
the thing in this trick is like in every other tricks. PRACTICE!
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Date: Fri, Jan 27 2012 13:35:49
wow so hard :/
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Date: Fri, Jan 27 2012 16:02:41
I can't get these things consistent like I do hai tua :/ They also always turn into damn aerial busts.
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Date: Sat, Jan 28 2012 04:34:30
@eurocracy That used to happen to me. But as you practice, your busts will eventually be less and less aerial.
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Date: Sat, Jan 28 2012 06:24:16
Busting needs practicing everytime :)
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Date: Wed, Feb 15 2012 23:04:04
Should I learn the aerial bust before this?
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Date: Thu, Feb 16 2012 00:03:31
@jliba12 it would help, but constant practice works best in the long run imo
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Date: Fri, Feb 17 2012 23:40:03
I keep practicing but I could only get it once every twenty tries
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Date: Tue, Feb 21 2012 19:24:22
I know the "normal" way to do this is using your middle finger, but I always felt more comfortable attempting to do this with my index finger whipping around the pen itself. I haven't got it yet, but I was wondering. Is it IMPOSSIBLE to do it with index finger only? Would it cause me to learn bad muscle memory?
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Date: Tue, Feb 21 2012 20:20:55
jliba12;178041]I know the "normal" way to do this is using your middle finger, but I always felt more comfortable attempting to do this with my index finger whipping around the pen itself. I haven't got it yet, but I was wondering. Is it IMPOSSIBLE to do it with index finger only? Would it cause me to learn bad muscle memory?[/QUOTE] It is possible but much harder and you can't control it as easily. If you're learning, trust me middle finger is the way to go. The thing to remember is that you're tapping it VERY lightly with that middle finger, it's not a hard motion. [QUOTE=Karrot wrote: I keep practicing but I could only get it once every twenty tries
It matters not, keep doing it. This trick you will eventually click and hit an area where you do it WAY more consistently, but you have to make it better from there -
Date: Tue, Feb 21 2012 22:42:40
It matters not, keep doing it. This trick you will eventually click and hit an area where you do it WAY more consistently, but you have to make it better from there
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Date: Mon, Mar 26 2012 02:34:42
Hey what type of mod wld be more helpful for learning this a lighter modd like a metalic comssa or waterfall mod?
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Date: Wed, Mar 28 2012 23:09:26
I messed up i didnt mean triple bust.... i meant double it is a bit easier
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Date: Wed, Mar 28 2012 23:33:39
@ALEX, that is a bit hard to believe. I am at 6 months and can't even do triple consistently.
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Date: Wed, Mar 28 2012 23:41:19
@ALEX you said u triple busted in ur 4th day of spinning but then said that you were learning multiple bust for a year? o.o
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Date: Thu, Mar 29 2012 03:22:20
no, sorry i messed up i meant double bust in 4 days i still cant get triple bust and in 4 days after getting my buster cyl. Ive actually been spinning for months
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Date: Thu, Mar 29 2012 03:24:16
sorry, I told kion already, i meant double bust not triple i still cant get triple yet.....
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Date: Sat, Apr 7 2012 11:34:09
[video=youtube;LfNTRpD7lx8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfNTRpD7lx8[/video] this is me practicing my busts. I fail quite a lot but I was just wondering if anyone could offer me some technical advice. Anything at all. the pens I use in the video are increasingly more heavy. personal bictory, waterfall, something like ivabra's mod then a buster. Thanks! :)
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Date: Mon, Apr 23 2012 01:51:18
how come every time i do twisted sonic bust, my hand go side way? any tip to make my hands stay palm down?
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Date: Mon, Apr 23 2012 02:19:32
Tape your hand to your desk. For real though, practice the motion with no mod to try to stay palm down.
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Date: Mon, Apr 23 2012 02:29:06
I try to do the twisted palm bust palm down but unable to catch it. I can catch it every time when my hand a little sideway.
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Date: Sat, May 5 2012 16:22:45
Asian wrote: I try to do the twisted palm bust palm down but unable to catch it. I can catch it every time when my hand a little sideway.
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Date: Tue, May 15 2012 19:55:29
How do I slide my index finger over so that most of the weight is closer to me? I always end up moving the entire pen also.
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Date: Wed, May 16 2012 01:04:23
i use the method vicgotgame shows in his tutorial, so i use my middle finger to bump the pen up into the air a bit so i can slide my finger forward.
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Date: Wed, May 16 2012 05:11:08
That's what I do aswell ^^ it works well
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Date: Wed, May 16 2012 10:47:27
man i wish they update these things D: imho using the middle finger as a bump is the only way to control a bust. period. it is possible to do busts with just the finger but imo the lack of control is appalling D: (at least in my experience) higher level "bust-like" tricks (i.e. continuous hai tua, punkan) use a single contact point (top of the hand, forearm respectively) because just the surface area (and timing) is enough to control the pen. so there really isnt a "vicgotgame method" or an even older term "peem style," the middle finger will always be a part of a bust. now its just now one styles their busts that is looks a certain way :P (compare peem to vicgotgame, both are doing the same thing, looks different, but all the mechanics are the same. and all this is valid for ext TA busts as well :3 pheww finally got that off my mind o-o"
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Date: Wed, May 16 2012 16:44:01
I'm still confused...how do I hit the pen with my middle finger?
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Date: Sun, May 20 2012 04:21:49
Meh~ 1 year of busting and i've only mastered x3 ==" max rec is 8... I suck ==
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Date: Sun, May 20 2012 08:41:37
@Danny116 lol i just noticed your post. im not sure if your referring to me when you commented on the vicgotgame method, but i was saying "the method vicgotgame teaches in his tutorial" its not like its his own method :P and there is a peem style. its the style he does it. it visually looks different from when tek busts, so its peem "style". but with that said, i agree with what you said in the post. there isnt more than one method, the middle finger or is going to be used for the high numbers, its just the way to use you middle finger that changes your style.
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Date: Sun, May 20 2012 14:44:40
@jliba12 watch vgg's tutorial again, it should clear everything up. try using you're other hand to move the pen in the motion the bust goes around the finger. you want to push up with your hand once the pen is just about the finish the bust. if you're doing tw. sonic bust correctly, you will notice that the middle finger is below the pen when the first bust is about to finish. good luck :)
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Date: Tue, May 22 2012 02:11:02
I can't do it while palm down :[ Do you guys have any suggestions?
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Date: Tue, May 22 2012 13:32:23
Danny116 wrote: @jliba12 watch vgg's tutorial again, it should clear everything up. try using you're other hand to move the pen in the motion the bust goes around the finger. you want to push up with your hand once the pen is just about the finish the bust. if you're doing tw. sonic bust correctly, you will notice that the middle finger is below the pen when the first bust is about to finish. good luck :)
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Date: Wed, May 23 2012 03:42:29
Glop wrote: I can't do it while palm down :[ Do you guys have any suggestions?
Master your TW Sonic Palmdown. Keep practising -
Date: Wed, May 23 2012 04:49:47
Kazuki wrote: Master your TW Sonic Palmdown. Keep practising
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Date: Wed, May 30 2012 14:18:05
Is this Twisted Sonic Multiple Bust? Am I Busting correctly? Please help as I want to master Double Bust. [video=youtube;N9ToT_hMNoQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ToT_hMNoQ[/video]
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Date: Wed, May 30 2012 14:36:04
@Obstracized man i always seem to be answerin your pleads for help :) they look alright, you seem to get the idea, but watch Vicgotgame's tut! yes everyone refers to it because it is the best busting tut out there! follow the tips there then comeback for more details link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUYpVo14lWo
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Date: Wed, May 30 2012 15:07:04
Danny116 wrote: @Obstracized man i always seem to be answerin your pleads for help :) they look alright, you seem to get the idea, but watch Vicgotgame's tut! yes everyone refers to it because it is the best busting tut out there! follow the tips there then comeback for more details link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUYpVo14lWo
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Date: Thu, May 31 2012 04:49:32
:lol: i cant do more than 5
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Date: Tue, Jun 12 2012 02:31:35
How do i do a multiple bust? I can only do twisted sonic bust but i can't do twisted sonic multiple bust.... Any tips? When i try doing the multiple bust, the pen flys off my hand!!!
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Date: Tue, Jun 12 2012 03:37:39
try practicing twisted sonic double bust before doing multiple busts, and watch Kthrin3's tut's about this.
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Date: Tue, Jun 12 2012 04:09:43
Already a thread.
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Date: Tue, Jun 12 2012 04:40:31
Here is the link to the original: http://forum.upsb.info/showthread.php?t=100 You should look through the forums before making a new thread, in case there is already an existing one. Hope this helps~
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Date: Tue, Jun 12 2012 05:34:32
how do i continue with my bust?i seem to be able to do only one and can't get on with the second one.Please help!
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Date: Tue, Jun 12 2012 06:33:34
Thanks Guys!!! :) It helps!
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Date: Tue, Jun 12 2012 09:47:12
epidemic shadow wrote: how do i continue with my bust?i seem to be able to do only one and can't get on with the second one.Please help!
heres a good tutorial on double busts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX6pnTG6uYk once u get double busts down, move on to multiple busts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUYpVo14lWo -
Date: Tue, Jun 12 2012 10:21:43
tom19 wrote: How do i do a multiple bust? I can only do twisted sonic bust but i can't do twisted sonic multiple bust.... Any tips? When i try doing the multiple bust, the pen flys off my hand!!!
are you advanced enough to learn this yet? well if you are then learn your twisted sonic bust palm down then do a twisted sonic bust but when its about to fall off your hand it will sit on your middle finger for a split second this is the time to move your hand so that the pen is pushed by the edge of your middle finger... the only other thing to do is practice after that..... -
Date: Sun, Jun 24 2012 03:41:08
Im on vacation so I rode to florida. So far the drive was 9 hours straight and I practiced double busts literally the entire time and i'm only 20% consistent
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Date: Sat, Jul 7 2012 15:57:45
same here but im starting to get more consistent and getting around 4 or 5 now
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Date: Sat, Jul 7 2012 17:11:27
nice
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Date: Mon, Jul 9 2012 06:35:28
Any tips for busting consistency? My busting average is about 3-4 and my record is 7, but they look really sloppy ._.
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Date: Mon, Jul 9 2012 08:59:35
@exo if you can get up to 7, then you're doing something right, so just practice more
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Date: Wed, Jul 11 2012 08:06:49
Hm ok I'll practice my busts more now
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Date: Sat, Jul 14 2012 15:45:22
Oh cool :D I got to seven once . Im doing something right :happy:
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Date: Sat, Aug 4 2012 03:40:50
I can get only 2 bust
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Date: Sat, Aug 4 2012 03:43:42
[video=youtube;TUYpVo14lWo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUYpVo14lWo[/video] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6EUjY4sBHM
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Date: Sat, Aug 4 2012 03:48:11
[video=youtube;TUYpVo14lWo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUYpVo14lWo[/video] I can get only 2 bust.....here is the tutorial of VGG VicGotGame
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Date: Sat, Aug 4 2012 04:50:00
To begin with, you posted it twice. Second, I learned to do that from him :D
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Date: Sat, Aug 11 2012 19:48:59
ZappyJ^ wrote: try practicing twisted sonic double bust before doing multiple busts, and watch Kthrin3's tut's about this.
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Date: Sun, Aug 12 2012 06:20:51
it worked for me :P
Sekai wrote: Do everything EXCEPT watch Ktrinh videos for busting
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Date: Fri, Aug 24 2012 14:16:51
Any great tips on busting those super busts like x20 or x25
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Date: Fri, Aug 24 2012 15:20:51
HenryS wrote: Any great tips on busting those super busts like x20 or x25
practice -
Date: Mon, Sep 3 2012 13:10:24
just asking, how long did you guise took to master 3 busts?? cos i have been practicing it a while now but i cant get it consistently.... :(
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Date: Mon, Sep 3 2012 17:58:52
Way to 3 busts is the hardest way... I learned it about 3 months after i tried to. Then you can learn more busts quite fastly(ok i can do 4-6 but i do not practice :D)
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Date: Tue, Sep 18 2012 13:56:03
I am 8 Months and I can only do up to Double Busts, basically because I didn't practice Multiple Busts a lot than PalmSpin > FL TA. So, I am working on Triple Busts. Any advice?
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Date: Fri, Sep 21 2012 20:53:40
I've been spinning for around 2 months, and can do triple busts quite smoothly. VicGotGame's slomo video aided me greatly in learning busts. I learnt them, and still do them on BICTory's (Unable to get heavier mods, but it's not like it's necessary).
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Date: Tue, Oct 2 2012 00:33:53
When doing this with a mod with uneven weigh distribution should the heavy side be pointed out away from the hand or other way around any answers would be appreciated thanks.
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Date: Tue, Oct 2 2012 07:56:59
Pause_ wrote: When doing this with a mod with uneven weigh distribution should the heavy side be pointed out away from the hand or other way around any answers would be appreciated thanks.
when you start the trick and the pen is in 23, the heavy end should be pointed away, and you should end the trick with the heavy end pointed towards you. -
Date: Wed, Oct 3 2012 21:01:20
The closer you get to the webbing of your fingers, the higher chance you have of messing up. Try as best as you can to get it NOT horizontal. Try to get it as close to 30-45 degrees as possible and on the middle part of your finger. Slow down so your middle finger has time to smack the pen.
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Date: Wed, Oct 17 2012 22:11:48
I figured it out. I wasn't moving my finger. It was stiff while I kept spinning my wrist. I'd lose control after 4 busts. Just watch your pen and imagine your pen moving a bit in a circle. Just imagining it and watching your pen will increase the number of your busts. You may not feel it, and it may seem like lies, but it works. Pretend you're twisting your finger around and even if you don't consciously move your finger, you will subconsciously move it.
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Date: Thu, Oct 18 2012 15:54:14
Joiemoie wrote: I figured it out. I wasn't moving my finger. It was stiff while I kept spinning my wrist. I'd lose control after 4 busts. Just watch your pen and imagine your pen moving a bit in a circle. Just imagining it and watching your pen will increase the number of your busts. You may not feel it, and it may seem like lies, but it works. Pretend you're twisting your finger around and even if you don't consciously move your finger, you will subconsciously move it.
Don't Double Post, Joiemoie. Yeah, that is a somewhat important Psychological Aspect when practicing Busts. I could get around 2-4 now, record is 6. :) -
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2012 05:30:15
My problem is that the pen slides off my hand while in the second bust. Help?
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Date: Thu, Nov 29 2012 17:52:13
I can do busts and air busts but I can't link them together.
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Date: Thu, Nov 29 2012 19:12:02
try to think in rhythm with the bust and know what you are going to do before you are going to do it. like 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 ect.
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Date: Thu, Dec 6 2012 18:52:23
Do you have any tips for double bust? I can't make the pen spin during the second bust!
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Date: Thu, Dec 6 2012 18:59:10
Valentin wrote: Do you have any tips for double bust? I can't make the pen spin during the second bust!
Watch Pari's slow-mos over 9k times. It helps. And try not to do 2nd bust fingerless, but to catch it in right place after 1st bust, and then do 2nd. -
Date: Thu, Dec 6 2012 19:59:32
Okay thank you, i'll try to work on it!
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Date: Fri, Dec 7 2012 05:35:18
Valentin wrote: Do you have any tips for double bust? I can't make the pen spin during the second bust!
You need to control the angle of the pen, where you hit it, and around which part (near tip, middle, or base, depending on your bust style) as well as the motion itself (you might need to adjust the motion if the pen goes a little out of control). If you want more, train just busts for 1-2 hours a day for about a week, after that, you should see noticeable improvement. - i.Suk -
Date: Fri, Dec 7 2012 05:56:40
I trained yesterday so now I can do it almost all the time!
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Date: Fri, Dec 7 2012 07:24:01
Valentin wrote: I trained yesterday so now I can do it almost all the time!
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Date: Fri, Dec 7 2012 07:46:56
For double bust: The pen must touch your middle finger (near the joint) then flick up your index abit I dont know how describe like your middle finger assists in busting and relax your fingers dont make it stiff.
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Date: Sun, Dec 9 2012 06:12:19
i needed help, i got stuck on 10 busts, any more tips? reply ASAP. thanks!
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Date: Sun, Dec 9 2012 07:50:59
EffecT wrote: i needed help, i got stuck on 10 busts, any more tips? reply ASAP. thanks!
I always used what i.Suk mentioned to help me in Busting. "You need to control the angle of the pen, where you hit it, and around which part (near tip, middle, or base, depending on your bust style) as well as the motion itself (you might need to adjust the motion if the pen goes a little out of control). If you want more, train just busts for 1-2 hours a day for about a week, after that, you should see noticeable improvement." - i.Suk -
Date: Sun, Dec 9 2012 09:36:17
For more busts: You should try to find a busting rythm that you're comfortable with. When you find that rythm also stick try to stick to the rythm. Like this you have a repetition of the same movement in the same amount of time. So you only need to learn that one movement to get more busts. But dont get frustrated if it doesnt work immediatly. You need to let your body and mind enough time for the movement to sink in. ^^
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Date: Mon, Dec 10 2012 01:12:16
@Obstracized thanks for telling me i.suk's advice dude. really appreciate it, will start practicing today :)
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Date: Mon, Dec 10 2012 02:25:47
EffecT wrote: @Obstracized thanks for telling me i.suk's advice dude. really appreciate it, will start practicing today :)
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Date: Tue, Dec 25 2012 15:46:26
[video=youtube;cevGDfm6fuw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cevGDfm6fuw[/video] yay 120fps might film it with 240 or 480 later if SD card can write fast enough...
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Date: Thu, Jan 10 2013 09:47:11
[video=youtube;TEC8bzHKTxo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEC8bzHKTxo&feature=youtu.be[/video] pd: if someone here really needs help, just ask me by pm xD
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Date: Thu, Jan 10 2013 09:49:52
FiRST . x3 MUST BE FiRST. Tit.s
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Date: Thu, Jan 10 2013 10:18:14
Thanks sekai, thanks to you i got 12 busts :)
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Date: Thu, Jan 10 2013 10:50:44
Lol wow, finaly i got multiple busts thanks sekai Btw can i have link, embed vid suddenly stopped working @Saionji
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Date: Thu, Jan 10 2013 11:28:19
almost made me lol. very sudden and awkward...
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Date: Thu, Jan 10 2013 11:44:28
*Insert comment about instructions not being clear enough and I got my dick stuck in an industrial fan*
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Date: Thu, Jan 10 2013 14:48:18
[QUOTE='[TGN];242595']*Insert comment about instructions not being clear enough and I got my dick stuck in an industrial fan*[/QUOTE] Just post the damn comment.
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Date: Thu, Jan 10 2013 20:08:13
HOLY FUCK THANKS SEKAI IM GETTING BETTER I DID IT 3 TIMES ALREADY DKFBSDF;JGND'RLKFMYDHTJ,D
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Date: Thu, Jan 10 2013 20:33:45
Hahaha I can't even do a triple bust --'
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Date: Sun, Jan 13 2013 22:45:09
how is this actually a tutorial....?
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Date: Sun, Jan 13 2013 23:00:36
should be titled: how to bust with a long and heavy mod that busts for you You can't just move your finger forward with a regular ass mod
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Date: Tue, Jan 15 2013 20:46:48
I know this is completely off topic, but you have nice fingernails.
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Date: Sat, Jan 19 2013 19:00:28
SuperVValrus wrote: should be titled: how to bust with a long and heavy mod that busts for you You can't just move your finger forward with a regular ass mod
Yes you can, that's how busting works LOL. The busting technique isn't different from an unmod RSVP to a insanely heavy mod like VGG Emboss or KiTten -
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2013 20:39:45
I was expecting a masturbation tutorial.
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Date: Sun, Jan 20 2013 00:06:53
o.O Busting from top finger, nice.
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Date: Sun, Jan 20 2013 01:51:24
eurocracy wrote: Yes you can, that's how busting works LOL. The busting technique isn't different from an unmod RSVP to a insanely heavy mod like VGG Emboss or KiTten
Thank you, really ^^ that's how it works, i've done like 8 with pencil with same technique, @Supergirl Thank you :D , Korean busts, that's why some people need to keep all their fingers straight while busting, because the pen is always in top, and if i bend my fingers pen will just fall ;_; :D -
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2013 02:00:14
@Saionji When using this method with a lighter pen it loses momentum more quickly so it does not work as consistantly. With a lighter mod you need to push it around your finger more or else it will just stop. (I'm really bad at busting so don't take my comments too seriously) btw you should change your name back. sekai is so much better (and easier to pronounce)
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Date: Sun, Jan 20 2013 02:07:03
SuperVValrus wrote: @Saionji When using this method with a lighter pen it loses momentum more quickly so it does not work as consistantly. With a lighter mod you need to push it around your finger more or else it will just stop. (I'm really bad at busting so don't take my comments too seriously) btw you should change your name back. sekai is so much better (and easier to pronounce)
I'm in WT as Sekai :D And hmm, one you develop bust technique (70/100+ busts) you will see what i mean, Evolution tutorial is exactly same as mine xD -
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2013 02:21:46
N!k wrote: how is this actually a tutorial....?
it works 100% of the time -
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2013 04:22:08
SuperVValrus wrote: btw you should change your name back. sekai is so much better (and easier to pronounce)
Heard of school days? -
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2013 12:57:42
great idea! u helped me trained my busts. yeah thanks!
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Date: Tue, Jan 22 2013 21:55:49
This is method I use almost like @i.suk
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Date: Thu, Jan 24 2013 03:13:53
As someone who has sucked at busting for over a year, I found this to be particularly helpful and am ashamed. Now I retreat back to my corner.
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Date: Sun, Feb 10 2013 08:02:56
when your going to air bust hit the pen with your middle finger like VGG.... just relax your hand when you perform the air bust and let the pen landed in your index finger then perform the bust. Like this : [video=youtube;YOqZ6iGMZGQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOqZ6iGMZGQ[/video] so if you understand the video right, it seems the middle finger has a LOT to do with aerial busts. seems that it plays two parts: 1. kinda serves to "toss" the pen in the air to start the aerial, 2. it seems to be the finger that stops the downward motion, before the index starts the next bust
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Date: Fri, Feb 15 2013 01:29:34
I'm getting there with two busts...
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Date: Wed, Mar 13 2013 12:15:37
Still stuck with a single bust >_<
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Date: Wed, Mar 13 2013 13:40:31
Good luck, it took me a while. Try to think of multiple busts kind of like aerial you toss it a little in the air and catch it back in the same position.
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Date: Mon, Mar 18 2013 20:42:41
can i learn this easily with a MX ?
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Date: Mon, Mar 18 2013 22:23:51
i believe that the mx's unbalance might make it a bit more challenging, but still possible
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Date: Mon, Mar 18 2013 22:28:24
every time i go for 3 busts, my pen always goes out of control on my hand... -.-
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Date: Tue, Mar 19 2013 03:36:10
Just keep practicing, if you can't get 3 keep doing 2 :)
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Date: Wed, Mar 20 2013 01:24:28
Is a metal comssa good for doing busts?
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Date: Wed, Mar 20 2013 01:35:55
XenoGeneiken wrote: Is a metal comssa good for doing busts?
no it isnt too good, because since it is light it will lose momemtum quicker than heavier mods. -
Date: Thu, Mar 21 2013 15:49:52
speedylu wrote: no it isnt too good, because since it is light it will lose momemtum quicker than heavier mods.
I see, how should I make it heavier then to make it better for busting? Cause I ordered one metal comssa from penwish and still waiting for it to arrive along with an rsvp mx. -
Date: Thu, Mar 21 2013 22:30:07
Lots of different ways you could make it heavier. A metal comssa will be fine just though, you just need to learn the technique. :)
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Date: Thu, Mar 21 2013 23:28:32
hah, learn busts with light mod and your busts will be somewhat more stable anyways, you don't need a heavy mod to bust.. metal comssa momentum is good enough you can add rings of grip/replace hggs with signos to make it heavier.
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Date: Fri, Mar 22 2013 11:44:54
Thanks for the replies :)
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Date: Fri, Mar 29 2013 00:34:31
Is it possible to achieve multiple busts with rsvp mx? Say like 10+ busts or so.
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Date: Fri, Mar 29 2013 00:40:35
Yes.
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Date: Fri, Mar 29 2013 16:50:47
Exteremely helpful guys.. ty
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Date: Thu, Apr 18 2013 09:40:54
How long does it take an average penspinner to learn this?? ive only been PSing for 6 months and this is next on my list, i cant do it
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Date: Wed, May 1 2013 05:17:20
This is really hard for me. i nailed the TW sonic bust but not this. does this take like a month of practice?
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Date: Thu, May 2 2013 15:05:13
PinoyPS17;256525]How long does it take an average penspinner to learn this?? ive only been PSing for 6 months and this is next on my list, i cant do it[/QUOTE] Learning Multiple Busts don't take too long, but doing lots of them takes a lot. Just try to do at least 1 Bust, then head for 2, 3, 4, and so on. [QUOTE=akshay wrote: This is really hard for me. i nailed the TW sonic bust but not this. does this take like a month of practice?
Well, a Month depends on a lot of factors. If you practice a lot in a day, you can get lots of Busts probably in a few weeks or even days if you understand the Concept of Busting. Took me 1 Month to be able to bust 2 as I was learning it wrongly at first. XD -
Date: Fri, May 10 2013 17:45:36
Obstracized wrote: Learning Multiple Busts don't take too long, but doing lots of them takes a lot. Just try to do at least 1 Bust, then head for 2, 3, 4, and so on. Well, a Month depends on a lot of factors. If you practice a lot in a day, you can get lots of Busts probably in a few weeks or even days if you understand the Concept of Busting. Took me 1 Month to be able to bust 2 as I was learning it wrongly at first. XD
How did you learn it wrongly? I'm at the point where I can't even get the pen over and catch it lol. (Well, maybe I can get the Bust 1/10 times) So I'm wondering if I'm making the same mistake. -
Date: Fri, May 10 2013 20:57:14
Stymphalian wrote: How did you learn it wrongly? I'm at the point where I can't even get the pen over and catch it lol. (Well, maybe I can get the Bust 1/10 times) So I'm wondering if I'm making the same mistake.
My tip for doing 2nd bust to people that need to learn is try doing it slowly Haha hope it helps -
Date: Sat, May 11 2013 08:41:30
Watch Sekai busting tutorial. Done.
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Date: Sat, May 11 2013 11:37:29
Kcom2002 wrote: Watch Sekai busting tutorial. Done.
Kinda lacking more info though. -
Date: Sat, May 11 2013 11:46:57
XenoGeneiken wrote: Kinda lacking more info though.
The info in his tutorial is practically all you need. All you need to do is practice. But if you want a more detailed tutorial, you can always watch Vic's tutorial. It is extremely helpful and he also goes over thoroughly on the technique. -
Date: Sat, May 11 2013 12:49:17
Multiple bust? :noface:
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Date: Sat, May 11 2013 17:08:11
Stymphalian wrote: How did you learn it wrongly? I'm at the point where I can't even get the pen over and catch it lol. (Well, maybe I can get the Bust 1/10 times) So I'm wondering if I'm making the same mistake.
I Used my Middle Finger to lightly Tap the Pen so that it would go over. That was the Wrong Part as a Bust is supposed to be Fingerless. As for your Mistake, I think you should practice more and focus on getting the Fingerless Part after the Twisted Sonic. -
Date: Sat, Jun 29 2013 02:14:54
When i bust, my hand face towards my stomach. Is that still considered busting. If not how do i make my hand palm down?
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Date: Sat, Jun 29 2013 02:21:10
@Season, if you think of the twisted sonic bust as a "twisted sonic bust > index bak rev." instead of "twisted sonic > index around", it should solve that problem. cuz if you stop relying on a push by the middle finger for the around, and use the fingerless bak instead, u won't need to turn your hand. This will also help make multiple busting easier when you get to it.
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Date: Sat, Jun 29 2013 02:34:58
@Ecnunn Thanks, guess back to the drawing board
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Date: Wed, Oct 2 2013 00:12:48
For the first time in the year and a half i started i finally got double bust down 10/10 tries i'm content idc it took me this long keep it up guys! hey maybe by next year i'll have four down :D
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Date: Sat, Oct 5 2013 16:41:29
I can't even get 2 busts down When I do one I do not end to the front so I can not do another one. Any tips? Thanks
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Date: Thu, Oct 24 2013 02:26:24
How exactly am I supposed to slide my finger into the top of the pen for the next bust? If I let go, it seems to just fall down, and I'm having a hard time lettings go in the first place, lol. Also, is it pretty much the multiple index backarounds, but in the opposite direction?
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Date: Thu, Oct 24 2013 14:35:12
For multiple bust, you dont slide your finger up but instead there is a short air time between each bust, you just got to get used to it...and timing is really important for the busts and yup it is just in opposite direction
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Date: Thu, Oct 24 2013 20:10:30
wise_~fusion~ wrote: For multiple bust, you dont slide your finger up but instead there is a short air time between each bust, you just got to get used to it...and timing is really important for the busts and yup it is just in opposite direction
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Date: Fri, Oct 25 2013 02:09:34
I dont know how to explain in words... but it should be when the pen is about to finish the bust... there are quite a lot of tutorials out there which can explain it xP
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Date: Sat, Oct 26 2013 19:28:05
Is the multiple bust considered a power trick?
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Date: Sat, Oct 26 2013 21:08:50
PERSIST wrote: Is the multiple bust considered a power trick?
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Date: Sun, Dec 8 2013 11:12:17
This is the hardest trick I've encountered so far, I've only been spinning for 3 months, should I learn something else first before coming back to this one? I know the twisted sonic bust, and the fingerless around, but this seems impossible :p
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Date: Fri, Dec 13 2013 18:32:25
Anders3728 wrote: This is the hardest trick I've encountered so far, I've only been spinning for 3 months, should I learn something else first before coming back to this one? I know the twisted sonic bust, and the fingerless around, but this seems impossible :p
Double bust probably, I'm also learning the double bust after around 4 months. I can get like once in ten or something. Just keep practicing -
Date: Sun, Dec 15 2013 03:27:13
Anders3728 wrote: This is the hardest trick I've encountered so far, I've only been spinning for 3 months, should I learn something else first before coming back to this one? I know the twisted sonic bust, and the fingerless around, but this seems impossible :p
You need to control the angle of the pen, where you hit it, and around which part (near tip, middle, or base, depending on your bust style) as well as the motion itself (you might need to adjust the motion if the pen goes a little out of control). If you want more, train just busts for 1-2 hr a day for about a week, after that, you should see noticeable improvement. Credits to i.suk for the Tip. Since you are 3 months, I'll suggest you to focus on other Hybrid Tricks first and try to practice Double Bust too. :) -
Date: Wed, Dec 18 2013 16:24:34
What's wrong with my double bust? http://youtu.be/kARum43imwU Yh I suck. Thanks
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Date: Thu, Dec 19 2013 00:15:30
try watching it in slomo, and then compare it to a slomo of say...vicgotgame or I.suk or some other spinner who has it mastered
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Date: Fri, Dec 20 2013 19:48:03
I still can't do it >:(
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Date: Tue, Dec 31 2013 14:06:11
my records 4, super unconsistant
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Date: Sun, Jan 5 2014 12:00:34
i think 2 is pretty good enough :)
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Date: Wed, Jan 8 2014 02:37:52
Does anyone know that, is it better to practise with waterfall mod or buster cyl ? As I am a beginner (sometimes could do twice and rarely 3)
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Date: Wed, Jan 8 2014 04:19:54
Gnosza wrote: Does anyone know that, is it better to practise with waterfall mod or buster cyl ? As I am a beginner (sometimes could do twice and rarely 3)
Definitely waterfall mod. Busters and advanced mods are mostly used to make the combos look sexy. For beginners practice on beginner mods, but in this case, the waterfall mod. If you practice on busters, your hands are supposed to tickle. c: -
Date: Wed, Jan 8 2014 04:48:16
Milkwhale wrote: Definitely waterfall mod. Busters and advanced mods are mostly used to make the combos look sexy. For beginners practice on beginner mods, but in this case, the waterfall mod. If you practice on busters, your hands are supposed to tickle. c:
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Date: Wed, Jan 8 2014 08:09:34
I practiced busts on an bic ._.
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Date: Wed, Jan 8 2014 13:58:37
Milkwhale wrote: Definitely waterfall mod. Busters and advanced mods are mostly used to make the combos look sexy. For beginners practice on beginner mods, but in this case, the waterfall mod. If you practice on busters, your hands are supposed to tickle. c:
What is supossed to be an ''advanced mod'' and ''beginner mod'' [video=youtube;uKNCSlXZ_u8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKNCSlXZ_u8[/video] ^practice on whatever you like the most no matter how long you've been spinning (and stop watching ktrinh videos) -
Date: Wed, Jan 8 2014 14:44:46
Sekai wrote: What is supossed to be an ''advanced mod'' and ''beginner mod''
Pls oppa bictory is beginner and buster is advanced, waterfall is intermediate Oppa pls watch ktrinh #thankiubasedktrinh -
Date: Wed, Jan 22 2014 17:09:51
I need help with a multiple bust. I can do two but when I try three the pen just falls down and I can't bust again.
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Date: Wed, Jan 22 2014 17:54:37
I mean I have done it like twice(thriple bust). I'll give you what I know, so when doing the double try to get that constantly. When I tryed to triple(before) I would never do it because it was hard for me to get a double but I worked on being constant and when you want to do the third bust, you know when doing a double you move your finger so the pen does another bust, just do it again the same motion. I tryed to give you my advice hopefully someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
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Date: Sun, Feb 23 2014 08:37:44
I'm having problems double busting, I've watched all the video tutorials and I've noticed that when I bust normally, when the pen is completing it's bak rev motion my thumb moves in and under my index finger, it doesn't touch the pen, but when I try to bust without moving my thumb it's very difficult and I can't even complete a twisted sonic bust normally, is this a habit that's stopping me from being able to double bust and something that I should try to iron out??
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Date: Sun, Feb 23 2014 09:00:53
I had that habit too last time , but I don't think it affects busting. But still I kicked that habit.
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Date: Tue, Feb 25 2014 19:55:28
When I do a triple bust, I ed up doing like a half aerial bust, will that go naturally or is my technique wrong?
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Date: Fri, Mar 7 2014 22:10:01
I sorted out the problem my thumb had with going in underneath my hand when I bust and within 20 mins I finally was able to double bust, (not consistently, but I'm getting there) just thought I'd mention it as this seems to have sorted out my problems and if someone has the same thing happening with their thumb, then this might help.
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Date: Sat, Mar 8 2014 13:01:19
Your thumb position shouldn't have any effect on how you bust?
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Date: Sat, Mar 8 2014 19:33:21
I dunno if it actually effected my busting, but sorting that out definitely seemed to help for some reason? Couldn't do it at all before and now I can.
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Date: Mon, Mar 10 2014 07:27:30
I don't know why when I get to about triple or quadruple bust, I'm just destined to fail the rest:( I'm just not able to bring my finger back high enough after that:(((( any help?
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Date: Fri, Apr 11 2014 04:38:31
I can do 2 easily, but I'm still practicing 3. :/
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Date: Thu, Apr 17 2014 15:08:12
I'm having trouble doing double bust, I've seen all the tuts listed in this thread too. After the first bust proceeding to the second, my pen doesn't seem to be able to go around my index, instead it just falls off my finger.. :( any tips guys?
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Date: Fri, Apr 18 2014 23:50:03
Make a circle motion with your finger while moving your arms forward once your first burst travels to under your index. It doesn't matter if can't learn it immediately, you'll get used to this motion and be able to do it within a couple of days (or weeks).
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Date: Tue, Apr 22 2014 23:23:13
@Monk That's useful, thanks :D
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Date: Wed, Apr 23 2014 01:56:05
O man!!! I always thought index finger does everything!! But the middle one does it!!
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Date: Wed, Apr 23 2014 02:02:29
yup
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Date: Fri, Apr 25 2014 22:31:21
I get stuck on 10 a lot, I think I may be doing a small part a tiny bit wrong because I start to lose momentum after a little while
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Date: Sat, Jul 26 2014 12:10:14
how long did it take you to master the twisted sonic double bust
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Date: Tue, Jul 29 2014 11:45:17
i need help. I feel like my double bust's have too much air time and it feels like it just lands in the 12 slot. Do you think i am puting too much power or something???
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Date: Tue, Jul 29 2014 11:53:03
AfroSquared wrote: i need help. I feel like my double bust's have too much air time and it feels like it just lands in the 12 slot. Do you think i am puting too much power or something???
Yeah it happens, maybe u could try to apply less force, perhaps like the tiny little hand tilt thingy suggested in Vic's tutorial ;) that should give u a rough idea of how much power to apply ;) all the best -
Date: Sat, Aug 2 2014 18:36:37
magoochy wrote: I get stuck on 10 a lot, I think I may be doing a small part a tiny bit wrong because I start to lose momentum after a little while
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Date: Sun, Aug 3 2014 05:15:21
@Monk ok will try thank you ^-^
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Date: Sun, Aug 3 2014 17:33:58
[B] The secret to multiple busts[/B] Hello, i am ShadowParadox. I have been practisong multiple busts for the past 7 months! And today i will share with you a secret to multiple busts that i am sure no one has found out about. You have been told about using the middle finger to bump the pen up, although this is true i am sure many of you are still wondering why you cannot do 2, 3 or however many you would like to do. So here we go, a secret to multiple busts you havent been told about yet. Lets begin shall we So the secret of multiple busts is :
I hope you have been enlightened by my teaching and good luck with your practise.Spoiler
Patience. And im not talking about patience over weeks, months even years of practise. I'm talking about patience when you do the bust. You see when you do busts you are probably rushing your movements and bumping the pen up too early. You need to remember when you do busts to wait that "little" bit extra before doing the next bump. Keep this in mind when doing each bust and you should be able to do more. Another thing when doing busts is that you should keep a good speed for busts : too slow and you will lose momentum quickly, too fast and you wont be able to control it. -
Date: Mon, Aug 4 2014 11:25:41
Oh, i haven't heard or seen that technique for multiple busting before. Now that you pointed it out to me, after 2 busts i subconsciously rush my movement. I will try it @ShadowParadox. Thanks for the help.
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Date: Wed, Aug 6 2014 22:48:48
ive been penspinning for around 8-9 months and my busting record is 6 but i usually do just 3.
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Date: Sat, Aug 23 2014 04:52:44
how many of you people use the middle finger to push for the bust? ive been trying to remove my middle finger from the bust motion... i think a lot of the infinite busts peeps tend to use the index for the full bust motion and not the mid.
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Date: Sat, Aug 23 2014 13:07:46
neoknux_009 wrote: how many of you people use the middle finger to push for the bust? ive been trying to remove my middle finger from the bust motion... i think a lot of the infinite busts peeps tend to use the index for the full bust motion and not the mid.
I do, i think it is a really good way. VGG gets alot of multiple busts using this method. KTrinh93 doesn't use his mid finger, if you're having trouble removing your mid finger, KTrinh93's tut teaches it with only the index -
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2014 15:11:18
AfroSquared wrote: I do, i think it is a really good way. VGG gets alot of multiple busts using this method. KTrinh93 doesn't use his mid finger, if you're having trouble removing your mid finger, KTrinh93's tut teaches it with only the index
i think he don't need a tutorial for a trick, since he participated in WC12 ;) Anyway i think busts without the push of the middlefinger look stylisher and better. -
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2014 16:17:58
m1ch1 wrote: i think he don't need a tutorial for a trick, since he participated in WC12 ;) Anyway i think busts without the push of the middlefinger look stylisher and better.
Everyone use middlefinger -
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2014 16:37:25
What? My view on everything got destroyed *depressive*
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Date: Sun, Aug 24 2014 17:17:55
Who doesnt use middle finger? @neoknux_009
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Date: Mon, Aug 25 2014 08:48:10
I tried to learn MB by watching VGG's tutorial. He says he does it different to most others, but they all look the same to me. :S mpc
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Date: Mon, Aug 25 2014 12:21:04
ShadowParadox wrote: Who doesnt use middle finger? @neoknux_009
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Date: Mon, Aug 25 2014 12:35:49
[video=youtube;1Y3ioVHjxKM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y3ioVHjxKM[/video] a few busts at start (120 fps slomo) yes, pen hits middle, but when i do busts my mind focuses entirely on index finger's motion i saw peem's busts irl at zhigao tournament gathering, it seems like he doesn't use middle but guess we need high-speed slomo to examine it --> i suspect he hits pen in difference place on middle finger (most people hit on distal 2 segments, peem hits near base of middle instead) imo, most beautiful busts are with middle, ring and pinky all straight, with small angle between index and middle, and pen spinning nearer to tip of index (rather than base)
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Date: Tue, Aug 26 2014 03:06:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5tqOP6A1Vs I slomo'd the second half of this vid when i was studying peem busts before and it appears that he does use middle finger. @neoknux_009 maybe you guys wanna see for yourself. Peemdoes my favourite busts but my fingers arent flexible enough. Btw does peem do weissan or korean busts? Anyway about not using middle finger, where would the momentum come from to do more busts? I assume a13x gets the most busts and he uses middle finger.
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Date: Tue, Aug 26 2014 11:06:28
@ShadowParadox you're right. Peem does use his middle finger. You can bust with only your index finger but there is a limit to how many you can do until you lose momentum and the pen drops. However when using your middle finger, the pen gets more momentum after each bust therefore making it possible to do a infinite amount. Unfortunatley, an infinite amount of busts is not possible because of human error, tired fingers etc. but a programmed robot could do an infinite amount.
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Date: Wed, Aug 27 2014 04:31:32
i.suk wrote: (most people hit on distal 2 segments, peem hits near base of middle instead)
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Date: Sat, Aug 30 2014 14:49:33
Can someone help me with twisted sonic double bust. Every time I try to double bust I catch the pen instead of continuing the rotation. It's so frustrating because I have been practicing this trick for like a hour and I keep doing the same thing wrong. I can't seem to continue the rotation.
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Date: Sat, Aug 30 2014 15:14:15
Search before you post.
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Date: Sat, Aug 30 2014 15:16:20
For multiple bust help, please go here instead of making a new thread. Perhaps read the upsb rules found here *shoots himself for hypocrisy*
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Date: Sat, Aug 30 2014 15:39:43
N!k wrote: For multiple bust help, please go here instead of making a new thread. Perhaps read the upsb rules found here
Perhaps you should read the rules too? Dont act like a mod but report it -
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2014 16:10:26
First practice not catching it, then practice the next movement, even if you aren't getting it to spin. After you are used to not just catching it I suppose you can work on actually doing multiple busts. And it took me and probably everybody else on this board more than an hour to get multiple busts, so don't get discouraged quite yet :)
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Date: Sat, Aug 30 2014 18:01:57
Thanks but I can't really do multiple bust without catching it. When I try to do the second bust the pen goes into the air. Is that noramal?
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Date: Sun, Aug 31 2014 01:35:24
Its a start; its going to take you a while to get it. Try to duplicate the exact motion of the first bust.
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Date: Sun, Aug 31 2014 12:20:16
Yaiya wrote: Thanks but I can't really do multiple bust without catching it. When I try to do the second bust the pen goes into the air. Is that noramal?
Yes, it is normal-ish. If you watched Vicgotgame's tutorial, he said that when you use your middle finger to tap the pen into the air, it will feel weird at first but after practice you will learn how to put just enough force for the pen the go round the index finger. So keep on practicing and you'll get it. I also recommend to watch his tutorial again and again until you get it and examine your busts to see if you are doing it incorrectly. What I did to examine my busts was I got my friends iPhone 5S and click on camera and went to the slomo video recorder (120 fps). I then played it back in slow motion and looked at how i did my busts and looked a VGG's slomo to see if i was doing it right. -
Date: Mon, Sep 1 2014 00:02:47
I watched a lot of Japanese spinners when I was trying to learn to multiple bust, and I think, at least from their videos, I use slight wrist motion combined with controlling the index finger to execute the multiple bust.
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Date: Tue, Sep 2 2014 22:13:21
If me and many others could reach 100+ bust with existant tutorials/information from years ago why are we still discussing this long time not doing 100+
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Date: Tue, Sep 2 2014 23:21:16
Sekai wrote: If me and many others could reach 100+ bust with existant tutorials/information from years ago why are we still discussing this long time not doing 100+
Because... other people have more trouble than you with penspinning? There's a reason I am 2 years a penspinner and I'm still barely mediocre: my hands aren't built for it and it is just harder for me. -
Date: Wed, Sep 3 2014 03:11:18
N!k wrote: Because... other people have more trouble than you with penspinning? There's a reason I am 2 years a penspinner and I'm still barely mediocre: my hands aren't built for it and it is just harder for me.
Trouble with what, practicing? because there's nothing left to say about busting Keep asking, or watching excesive amounts of tutorial/overreading stuff it's like an illusion of ''i'm doing something'' when you're actually just avoiding practicing -
Date: Wed, Sep 3 2014 03:19:27
Sekai wrote: Trouble with what, practicing, reading, watching tutorials? because there's nothing left to say about busting Keep asking it's like an illusion of ''i'm doing something'' when you're actually just avoiding practicing in order to not get frustrated or because too lazy :P (yea, actually it's kinda boring, unlses you really like cont.)
So with practice everybody can become anything? -
Date: Wed, Sep 3 2014 03:29:31
N!k wrote: So with practice everybody can become anything?
Well, not really, everybody but you apparently -
Date: Wed, Sep 3 2014 03:34:45
Sekai wrote: Well, not really, everybody but you apparently
So with practice: a quadruple amputee can win world tournament. Now, I know for a fact you don't actually believe this, I'm just pointing out thats what you said. -
Date: Wed, Sep 3 2014 04:52:13
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N!k wrote: my hands aren't built for it
hahahahahahahah okay, i will not discuss with you -
Date: Wed, Sep 3 2014 05:28:41
@N!k Yeah...the only things which you can argue that your "hands aren't built for" would be crazy inhuman flexibility links like Fire＠Fox (spelling? lol) does, or maybe some inverse/reverse flush sonic stuff. For example, I can't do inverse flush sonic still, maybe due to poor ring-pinky independence and a pretty short pinky relative to the rest of my fingers, though ring and pinky are mostly this way for everyone unless further flexibility is built up or somehow present. This makes things like square pass and whatnot very difficult though I'm sure with more practice they would be possible for me. Busts can be done by anyone with an index finger (and ideally also a middle finger), you have no excuse. They're only timing and knowing how/where to position the pen on the finger, that's it. Getting longer bust records does take a very long time though, and it varies from person to person how much it would take to start getting to ridiculous amounts like 50-100+. I can still only do a little over 20 or so, but I only practice busts when I feel like it occasionally ^^ Muscle memory and working up the motor skills and motions needed for pen spinning truly does just come with practice. As long as you don't have a hand injury or something which greatly reduces your fine motor skills in the hands, arthritis, etc. you can learn it with time and practice. Part of the reason I started was that I could not for the life of me do a thumbaround in highschool, though most kids were able to. I started as a person feeling like my hands weren't built for it, or it would not be something I would have any natural aptitude for to begin with, but this has no bearing on your ability to learn to spin at intermediate/higher levels whether it's true for you or not!
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Date: Wed, Sep 3 2014 06:23:04
in time it takes to read this thread, i could probably grind enough to increase my bust record, just saying .-. go practice ppl, because that's how you get better ^^ nory 13-15-16 bust vid slomo from 2007 was all i used to learn, basically about practice - my right hand middle and ring finger muscle power is actually very weak (i can't even make spock sign properly on right hand, i can't grip something between those fingers to anywhere near strength my left hand can), but i learnt how to do hard links in 24 and 14 in flush sonic/inv flush sonic position, square pass variations etc - which people with inborn hand flexibility can't do unless they practice either xD also, my right hand was so inflexible it couldn't even do palmspins back in 2009, so i spent 10-15 min every night of 2 months bending fingers back until i felt pain to be able to train palmspin ~ fl ta cont you say your hand isn't built for it? well mine wasn't either, not really excuse unless you are exceptional case either you remain too lazy to train and remain at your current lvl (which is fine, practice is annoying sometimes even though i enjoy spinning - why grind stuff i land 1/50 times and feel noob when i can just spam things i can do 95% of time and feel pro? lol) or you train and get better or, you keep making excuses about yourself there's heaps of ways to get a lot of busts (peem, evolution, nory etcetc), as long as you can kinda raise your index and have middle finger, you can probably get a lot of busts....... the supposed 'pro spinners' are hardly ever talented, they just practiced more and enjoyed spinning ^^
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Date: Wed, Sep 3 2014 08:04:33
I don't think everyone can learn power correctly though ^^' I've been practicing multiple busts every day for the past two years, I struggle to do 3 sometimes. My fingers are quite clumsy and inconsistent, and this is something I try to cover up in my videos by taking exceptionally long times recording them with the idea of "monkey with typewriters will eventually write shakespeare with infinite time" It seems okay to just shout "practice", but when you're facing people who are tired of hearing it, and have spent perhaps years trying to learn power or busts, then you're going to have to accept that not everyone has the muscle memory consistency and fine motions to control it, while there are spinners that are able to learn those motions incredibly fast, I'm being outclassed by people maybe with 3 months of experience with some pen spinning prodigies. A fine example is F2F, who showed me he was working on some triangle passes, and he had mastered nearly every single one in under a week, or how he would just learn FL TAs or Busts or Hai Tuas extremely quickly. Or maybe even TBG who does better power than me at 3 months.
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Date: Wed, Sep 3 2014 15:15:01
i find it...interesting that someone who has mastered fine motions for far harder material to be 'unable' to find a way to do busts well D: not many ppl have the muscle memory consistency or fine motions or sense of hand/pen etc at first, but that's why we practice, right? so we can get these things it's definitely true that some people develop this stuff faster, except i can't really convince myself that it's 'simply impossible' for someone to do certain types of cont that don't require any fancy finger positioning stuff i was a slower learner for cont, but i just mindlessly ground stuff for a long time (pure bust over 3 hr/day, some of it during school classes during 2nd half of 2008, and that got me from 2 to 8...which is remarkably poor progress by today's standards), i'm not expecting ppl to grind this much, but i think if they did, they would be able to get decent progress apparently peem was doing pure power 5-6 hr/day post wt09 to 2010 period, it clearly makes a difference
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Date: Wed, Sep 3 2014 16:35:19
i.suk wrote: the supposed 'pro spinners' are hardly ever talented, they just practiced more and enjoyed spinning ^^
You make it sound like your not a pro spinniner. You're awesome! -
Date: Wed, Sep 3 2014 22:34:44
Ceru Seiyu wrote: I don't think everyone can learn power correctly though ^^' I've been practicing multiple busts every day for the past two years, I struggle to do 3 sometimes. My fingers are quite clumsy and inconsistent, and this is something I try to cover up in my videos by taking exceptionally long times recording them with the idea of "monkey with typewriters will eventually write shakespeare with infinite time" It seems okay to just shout "practice", but when you're facing people who are tired of hearing it, and have spent perhaps years trying to learn power or busts, then you're going to have to accept that not everyone has the muscle memory consistency and fine motions to control it, while there are spinners that are able to learn those motions incredibly fast, I'm being outclassed by people maybe with 3 months of experience with some pen spinning prodigies. A fine example is F2F, who showed me he was working on some triangle passes, and he had mastered nearly every single one in under a week, or how he would just learn FL TAs or Busts or Hai Tuas extremely quickly. Or maybe even TBG who does better power than me at 3 months.
What he said People try their hardest to get A's and just barely manage to scrape a B. Then there are people who do no homework and get A's. You can't dismiss that with "practice more", can you? I understand that yes, grinding helps a lot, but I don't think it is possible for anybody to do anything. -
Date: Fri, Sep 5 2014 00:12:00
AfroSquared wrote: Yes, it is normal-ish. If you watched Vicgotgame's tutorial, he said that when you use your middle finger to tap the pen into the air, it will feel weird at first but after practice you will learn how to put just enough force for the pen the go round the index finger. So keep on practicing and you'll get it. I also recommend to watch his tutorial again and again until you get it and examine your busts to see if you are doing it incorrectly. What I did to examine my busts was I got my friends iPhone 5S and click on camera and went to the slomo video recorder (120 fps). I then played it back in slow motion and looked at how i did my busts and looked a VGG's slomo to see if i was doing it right.
LEARNED DOUBLE BUST LAST WEEKEND! THANK YOU -
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2014 19:43:55
Can someone help me pls with the dilemma of the pen getting caught between the index and middle finger? Sometimes this happens to me and so i cant move my hand for the next bust. As well as this can you help with stopping the pen from flying off of the top of my index finger plox? @i.suk if you can help because im majnly focusing on your style and the fingers are quite close together which i think is causing this. Or anyone else who has a similar style would be able to help? Thanks very much
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Date: Tue, Oct 28 2014 11:08:08
ShadowParadox wrote: Can someone help me pls with the dilemma of the pen getting caught between the index and middle finger? Sometimes this happens to me and so i cant move my hand for the next bust. As well as this can you help with stopping the pen from flying off of the top of my index finger plox? i.suk if you can help because im majnly focusing on your style and the fingers are quite close together which i think is causing this. Or anyone else who has a similar style would be able to help? Thanks very much
if pen is caught between index and middle, increase space between them and try to control pen's plane of rotation better if pen flies off, reduce speed of pen's rotation and don't hit it as high, also try having pen spin a bit lower on index [video=youtube;cevGDfm6fuw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cevGDfm6fuw&list=UUX_6KHqM-Rj3wCortJTZEmg[/video] probs 'best' slomo of my bust technique, pardon the lighting (it was evening in Hong Kong when i was there at end of 2012 or something) -
Date: Tue, Oct 28 2014 11:24:52
ShadowParadox wrote: Can someone help me pls with the dilemma of the pen getting caught between the index and middle finger? Sometimes this happens to me and so i cant move my hand for the next bust. As well as this can you help with stopping the pen from flying off of the top of my index finger plox? @i.suk if you can help because im majnly focusing on your style and the fingers are quite close together which i think is causing this. Or anyone else who has a similar style would be able to help? Thanks very much
I agree with i.suk, I would add something, to increase space between your two fingers I'd recommend to bend your middle finger a little bit and stretch your index. That's actually the way I do it, I hope it helps (sun) -
Date: Tue, Nov 25 2014 03:07:30
I can get double busts alright, but multiple busts are pretty uncommon for me.